Jerry Jones: Spike Was Bad Call***merged***

[CWR]

The other team is protecting the sideline in that down and distance and game situation.

Just as the offense practices the two minute drill the defense is doing the same. Sometimes the other team understands football also.

So we just give up? If its not there throw it away. I was also watching the clock and worried about Arod having too much time while GB sat on thier TOs.

Honestly dont recall how many yards we gained and how far the offense had to scurry up the field to get in formation but I distinctly remember wondering wth we were doing when we clocked it. It was a dog fight and we gave up a down with the defense on thier heels.

 

[CWR]

I thought it was a smart move to make sure you have the right call in for your rookie QB

I see your point and I am being critical of the play calling and game management after the fact. However, I was cursing most of the game at our unwillingness to run the ball and some of the absurd play calling. Id like to think they had ran a 2 minute drill a million times this year and could have gotten the correct play called without losing a down.

 

[AzorAhai]

So we just give up? If its not there throw it away. I was also watching the clock and worried about Arod having too much time while GB sat on thier TOs.

Honestly dont recall how many yards we gained and how far the offense had to scurry up the field to get in formation but I distinctly remember wondering wth we were doing when we clocked it. It was a dog fight and we gave up a down with the defense on thier heels.

1:33 Williams 24 yard catch-It took 20 seconds to run up the field and snap the ball after the catch was completed at 1:28

1:08- Witten catch for 11 yards, play concluded at 1:00, ball spiked at :48 seconds

The Beasley play took 4 seconds and gained 7 yards, apparently only because of the TO in their pocket or various other reasons that, of course, align with his reasoning.

 

[CWR]

1:33 Williams 24 yard catch-It took 20 seconds to run up the field and snap the ball after the catch was completed at 1:28

1:08- Witten catch for 11 yards, play concluded at 1:00, ball spiked at :48 seconds

The Beasley play took 4 seconds and gained 7 yards, apparently only because of the TO in their pocket or various other reasons that, of course, align with his reasoning.

Thank you. 11 freaking yards, cmon man if you cant recover from an 11 yard gain and run a play there is a problem.

They most definitely should have ran the damn ball on third down. Unbelievable to preserve the time out only to get cute.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I see your point and I am being critical of the play calling and game management after the fact. However, I was cursing most of the game at our unwillingness to run the ball and some of the absurd play calling. Id like to think they had ran a 2 minute drill a million times this year and could have gotten the correct play called without losing a down.

We can quibble with a few play calls and we can certainly start with 3rd and 2 being the most egregious. But in a game when we went down 21-3 and trailed by double digits until the 4th quarter our running back got 22 carries. And our offense put up 31 freaking points.

Ironically if Romo had put up 31 points and also thrown one of the worst interceptions on the season... I wonder if all the talk today is focused on a play spike.

I also wonder (not that it makes a difference as all 3 decisions are virtually identical in win probability)... But I wonder if we feel the need to spike the ball and get a call into our rookie qb.

I wonder if we'd played our best qb if we have a game this weekend.

What I don't wonder is why we spiked the ball.

 

[Nightman]

Thank you. 11 freaking yards, cmon man if you cant recover from an 11 yard gain and run a play there is a problem.

They most definitely should have ran the damn ball on third down. Unbelievable to preserve the time out only to get cute.

The WRs were gassed...they all ran go's on both plays and had to sprint back to get in formation

It took 45 secs to go 35 yards but the WRs were sprinting the whole 45 secs

A spike was a good decision to catch their breath and avoid a terrible mistake

 

[CWR]

We can quibble with a few play calls and we can certainly start with 3rd and 2 being the most egregious. But in a game when we went down 21-3 and trailed by double digits until the 4th quarter our running back got 22 carries. And our offense put up 31 freaking points.

Ironically if Romo had put up 31 points and also thrown one of the worst interceptions on the season... I wonder if all the talk today is focused on a play spike.

I also wonder (not that it makes a difference as all 3 decisions are virtually identical in win probability)... But I wonder if we feel the need to spike the ball and get a call into our rookie qb.

I wonder if we'd played our best qb if we have a game this weekend.

What I don't wonder is why we spiked the ball.

I get the logic. Unfortunately the entire point failed when we threw the ball on 3rd and 2.

Youre right if you were to sit back and look at the numbers we generated it may appear silly to second guess play calling. But there were a half dozen or so plays where it seemed crazy wed elect to pass in those situations instead of running with our all pro rushing attack. Of that half dozen "the worst interception of the season" has to be included. Perhaps thats why I was more angry at the play calling than the throw.

As far as the best QB argument its tough for me to think anyone would have done much better than Dak but we will never know. When we were down 21-3 I was certainly thinking it was gonna take a gunslinger to bring us back.

 

[rational1]

We were kinda cooking at the time it made some sense. In a way it's the most aggressive decision to spike there. Bc it's a clear play for 7 points.


But if you're gonna be aggressive like that you should've thrown to dez in the end zone. At least let that guy prove he can stop it once before you go away from that matchup.


I really feel like if dak just lined up and pointed to dez like go deep it would've been a score. And if not the clock stops anyway

Same mistakes are being made at the end of halves where the team should know that they are playing for the last possession. Keep the ball away from Rodgers best you can by running the ball and doing what they do best.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I get the logic. Unfortunately the entire point failed when we threw the ball on 3rd and 2.

Youre right if you were to sit back and look at the numbers we generated it may appear silly to second guess play calling. But there were a half dozen or so plays where it seemed crazy wed elect to pass in those situations instead of running with our all pro rushing attack. Of that half dozen "the worst interception of the season" has to be included. Perhaps thats why I was more angry at the play calling than the throw.

As far as the best QB argument its tough for me to think anyone would have done much better than Dak but we will never know. When we were down 21-3 I was certainly thinking it was gonna take a gunslinger to bring us back.

Look. I'd have run it on 3rd and 2. And probably have run it again on a hypothetical 4th and 1.

But in an offense as expensive as ours... If we're upset that the coaches asked them to convert threw the air... Then what are we paying for in Dak, Dez, Cole, Williams, Witten, Tyron, Leary, Fredbeard and Martin?

 

[Vtwin]

I would have taken a shot. Best case, TD. Second best, incomplete stops the clock or complete and out of bounds. Third best complete and down in the field. Can spike it there or use the timeout.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

IMO 100% you just run the ball there on 1st and 10 with the clock winding down. GB was getting tired on defense, and if Zeke runs for any yardage you're in FG range, and time is running out. You can run another play after that and take a shot, if it's incomplete you prob have time to run another one and still have your timeout if needed.

It's all hindsight. Ultimately the defense has no excuse for giving up 35 yards on 3rd and 20 after a big sack. You can't allow a sideline catch like that. The spike didn't lose them the game. The defense failing in a situation where they were set up to succeed lost them the game.

You almost had me 100% liking your post.

For me, regardless of what happened during the game.... IF there are opportunites to WIN the game YOU must make the RIGHT decisions.

Can I "Like" your first paragraph but not the second paragrah? lol

 

[CWR]

Look. I'd have run it on 3rd and 2. And probably have run it again on a hypothetical 4th and 1.

But in an offense as expensive as ours... If we're upset that the coaches asked them to convert threw the air... Then what are we paying for in Dak, Dez, Cole, Williams, Witten, Tyron, Leary, Fredbeard and Martin?

The problem was gambling on another clock stopage after a failed conversion. Which I am upset at the coaches for doing. If we run and dont convert we are at the least forcing GB to burn a TO. I understand that we have amazing weapons in the passing game but we are (I think) agreeing that it shouldve been a run play on third. My point is if you were going to clock it and lose a down then in order to support that rationale you shouldve ran the ball on third. Thats why you kept that precious TO in your pocket.

But I get it, if they convert through the air then they are geniuses. They didnt so yeah I dont really get the entire series. Theres no winner or loser in this debate. In fact we are unfortunately all losers lol.

I think Idgit made a good point that the WRs were winded after the back to back plays. I can get with that logic, the last thing we needed was a sloppy route.

All and all Id have liked to see alot more running, which started even before we were down 21-3.

 

[Asklesko]

the spike seems to have been made on the assumption that we'd get a first down in the next two plays. how is that assumption ever made? getting a first down in three plays is hard in the nfl, and in two downs, it's that much harder. the spike should have never been. we should have kept that down and let the clock run down. we had 48 seconds! we needed that down wayyy more than we needed the time.

 

[Lutonio]

The issue is that the spike was a panic call. With around 45 seconds left, a timeout, down/distance, and Bailey (if needed), the right thing to do is run your offense regular.

 

[Idgit]

I missed the game day threads because, well, they make me want to shoot myself in the brain, but did anybody try to make the case for being in 4 down territory that series rather than kicking the tying fg and giving Rodgers 30 seconds and a timeout to make the GW FG? Anybody care to, after the fact?

I know, of course, that JG and Company would be legitimately crucified for playing entirely for the TD there when the game tying points were in range and we have Dan Bailey. Under any normal circumstance, I agree. But the way Rodgers had played all day, I'm not so sure. If we know we're in 4 down territory, we've got the option of running it on 3rd or 4th down. Make it, we can stop the clock and have 4 downs and 30 seconds to put the game away completely and never give GB a chance at the field again. We pass up the 3 gimme points, but keep the opportunity to win the game in the hands of the offense for at least another 4 plays. Kind of like that Giants game in 2007.

Any takers?

 

[loublue22]

always?

up by 2, 3 seconds on the clock. scoring in the redone is critical?

you keep digging a deeper hole. absolutes are always wrong! /sarcasm

I assume you understand how stupid you sound, so I'll stop responding now.

 

[Nightman]

the spike seems to have been made on the assumption that we'd get a first down in the next two plays. how is that assumption ever made? getting a first down in three plays is hard in the nfl, and in two downs, it's that much harder. the spike should have never been. we should have kept that down and let the clock run down. we had 48 seconds! we needed that down wayyy more than we needed the time.

Not in the 2 minute offense ....we just went 35 yards in 2 plays

We just didn't execute on 2nd and 3rd down

Aaron Rodgers got sacked on his 1st down, incomplete on his second but still completed a 35 yd pass on 3rd and 20......it was execution not strategy

 

[Nightman]

I missed the game day threads because, well, they make me want to shoot myself in the brain, but did anybody try to make the case for being in 4 down territory that series rather than kicking the tying fg and giving Rodgers 30 seconds and a timeout to make the GW FG? Anybody care to, after the fact?

I know, of course, that JG and Company would be legitimately crucified for playing entirely for the TD there when the game tying points were in range and we have Dan Bailey. Under any normal circumstance, I agree. But the way Rodgers had played all day, I'm not so sure. If we know we're in 4 down territory, we've got the option of running it on 3rd or 4th down. Make it, we can stop the clock and have 4 downs and 30 seconds to put the game away completely and never give GB a chance at the field again. We pass up the 3 gimme points, but keep the opportunity to win the game in the hands of the offense for at least another 4 plays. Kind of like that Giants game in 2007.

Any takers?

I won't even take that bait

 

[Idgit]

The issue is that the spike was a panic call. With around 45 seconds left, a timeout, down/distance, and Bailey (if needed), the right thing to do is run your offense regular.

Was it, though? Rookie QB, game and season on the line, moving the ball routinely on a tired defense. You covert there, and if you don't want to use the TO right away (which you obviously don't), you need to be ready for the next series of downs on the fly. That's one where you definitely trust a veteran like Tony to just keep the ball moving. Dak has probably earned that right, too, but he's still rookie. It's still a situation where you want to help him if you can. If you're confident you can get 10 yards in two plays because you have been the last two series and the defense is on it's heals, you want to keep the playbook open, and you want to give your signal caller the time to execute properly, the clock stoppage there might have more value than it would in other circumstances.

I should say that I agree with you that running a play there (especially something with a RPO where Dak could stop the clock again if necessary) is the direction I would prefer they had gone. But I understand the thought process of wanting to slow things down for a second to plan the next 3-4 plays to try to win the ballgame instead of doing it on the fly with the rookie QB.

 

[Idgit]

I won't even take that bait

Lol.

We could always kick the fg that next set of downs, btw. The only question is could we get the 2 yards in 2 downs with this OL and the #4 pick overall at RB. I mean, that's why we got him, right?