Jerry Jones Sure Makes a Good Scapegoat

[MaineBoy]

Can there really be someone this clueless or is it just a desperate thread for attention ?

 

[Mansta54]

FuzzyLumpkins = The Alone Ranger

No, he's not alone at all. JJ has done a outstanding job of putting talent on this team, our rookie class is a strong example of this. His biggest problem was hiring WP inwhich the poster indicated already. JJ, the GM, has loaded this team with talent but now he has to get a HC to lead it, discipline it, and demand hard work and focus from it. WP vows change in the way he does things, time will tell if it actually happens.

 

[Doomsay]

- First and foremost shouldn't have let Bill walk. Should have stepped aside, been an owner, and made Bill GM.

- He hired JG, and all but anointed him the HC, BEFORE hiring Wade as the HC. He undermined what little authority Wade was going to have at the get go. He further reenforced that giving Garret an unprecedented $3M contract to not leave, again making it quite clear Wade was on borrowed time here.

- compounding that further, when Ellis started the season behind Spencer, Ellis went to Jerry to complain. Next game Ellis started. TO did the same. And those are just the guys we know about. Jerry has a long history of coddling his players, even to the detriment of his hand picked coaches (Chan Gailey)

- He let Ireland and Sparano go to Miami. Then traded Fasano and Ferguson to them for a song, electing to keep Tank Johnson who has been less than worthless this season.

- The Roy Williams deal - should have been done in the offseason, or should have waited to sign him as a FA. THere was no reason to blow those draft picks for 10 games of Roy Williams, when another WR was not what was wrong with this team. It was a total panic move by someone who saw things going in the wrong direction and had no idea how to fix it. And it actually made things worse, because a team that already didn't have enough footballs to spread around got one more target that needed feeding.

- Went into the season with no backup QB worth a Geritol pill. You could make the argument the decision to go with Brad Johnson alone cost us the playoffs.

- How long was it before Felix got real playing time? How long before Choice even got a touch in a game? How long before they realized Brad Johnson was less than worthless and at least tried to put Bollinger in there? Yes that's on the coaching staff for failing to understand and utilize their personnel - the same coaching staff Jerry is vowing to bring back next year.

- How big is Hamlin's contract? He wasn't worth a nickel of it this year. The Barber contract was excessive too, he's good but he's not LT.

- A 4 year extension, $34M to a 35 year old wide receiver? Seriously? And that contract makes a known malcontent uncuttable, painting us into a corner if he gets really out of line this year.

- Jerry not only helped create the media circus that swirls around TO, Pacman, and later Romo and Witten - he revels in it. He even tried to sell us at some point that the team "thrives" on it. That was some thriving they did there in Philly....

- After the St. Louis debacle, Jerry became the first GM in history to dress down the team before the Head Coach. Why are they ever going to listen to Wade again?

- Was that Jerry Jones who basically called out Barber for being a wuss and not playing on his toe, and then Wade several weeks later saying they "just shouldn't have played him?" Why yes, yes it was.


I can keep going if you like.

Too Many "Facts" I guess.

 

[slims999]

Jones is a HUGE part of the problem. Nuff said.

 

[percyhoward]

- First and foremost shouldn't have let Bill walk. Should have stepped aside, been an owner, and made Bill GM.

- He hired JG, and all but anointed him the HC, BEFORE hiring Wade as the HC. He undermined what little authority Wade was going to have at the get go. He further reenforced that giving Garret an unprecedented $3M contract to not leave, again making it quite clear Wade was on borrowed time here.

- compounding that further, when Ellis started the season behind Spencer, Ellis went to Jerry to complain. Next game Ellis started. TO did the same. And those are just the guys we know about. Jerry has a long history of coddling his players, even to the detriment of his hand picked coaches (Chan Gailey)

- He let Ireland and Sparano go to Miami. Then traded Fasano and Ferguson to them for a song, electing to keep Tank Johnson who has been less than worthless this season.

- The Roy Williams deal - should have been done in the offseason, or should have waited to sign him as a FA. THere was no reason to blow those draft picks for 10 games of Roy Williams, when another WR was not what was wrong with this team. It was a total panic move by someone who saw things going in the wrong direction and had no idea how to fix it. And it actually made things worse, because a team that already didn't have enough footballs to spread around got one more target that needed feeding.

- Went into the season with no backup QB worth a Geritol pill. You could make the argument the decision to go with Brad Johnson alone cost us the playoffs.

- How long was it before Felix got real playing time? How long before Choice even got a touch in a game? How long before they realized Brad Johnson was less than worthless and at least tried to put Bollinger in there? Yes that's on the coaching staff for failing to understand and utilize their personnel - the same coaching staff Jerry is vowing to bring back next year.

- How big is Hamlin's contract? He wasn't worth a nickel of it this year. The Barber contract was excessive too, he's good but he's not LT.

- A 4 year extension, $34M to a 35 year old wide receiver? Seriously? And that contract makes a known malcontent uncuttable, painting us into a corner if he gets really out of line this year.

- Jerry not only helped create the media circus that swirls around TO, Pacman, and later Romo and Witten - he revels in it. He even tried to sell us at some point that the team "thrives" on it. That was some thriving they did there in Philly....

- After the St. Louis debacle, Jerry became the first GM in history to dress down the team before the Head Coach. Why are they ever going to listen to Wade again?

- Was that Jerry Jones who basically called out Barber for being a wuss and not playing on his toe, and then Wade several weeks later saying they "just shouldn't have played him?" Why yes, yes it was.


I can keep going if you like.

OK, I'm speechless.

 

[5Stars]

A GM would not be allowed to keep his job after 12 years of futility, not with this franchise. A GM would also make some decisions with caution knowing that huge risks if they don't pay off could cost them their position.

The fact Jones wears two hats makes any decision the GM makes to carry the full and complete clout of the owner because they are one and the same.

I think that is what he is saying is, if Jerry hired a GM, the GM could possibly become "the puppet" for Jerry. Nothing changes! If the GM does not do what Jerry wants, Jerry hires a new GM and the cycle starts again.

There is no solution. Jerry owns the team. You can put Jerry as owner, then a GM, then an assistant GM, and then an assistant to the assistant GM, but, utlimately Jerry has final say as owner.

This discussion will go nowhere.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Nice New but i still am waiting for specifics rather than the stupid fearmongering that is the rage.

how do you think it affects the offensive coordinator and the QB when the owner is in the media saying "we need to get player x the ball more"

how do you think it affects the coach when the owner is roaming the sideline and talking to players he need to be focused on what the "coaches and the game"

how do you think it affects players when the owner is whispering in there ear before games about playing through injury (I would think it makes the players think Jones is questiong the seriousness of an injury...more importantly he is questioning how bad they want to win)

how do you think it affects the coaches when the owner is giving the pep talks before games....and undressing the teams after lossess

how do you think it affects a players mentality when the owner warns everyone to watch out for Tank Johnson this year....then the player does not even start...and when he does play he plays like a kitty cat? When the owner says watch out for so and so...don't you think that players is going to try to do more than he should so the owner can be vindicated? As opposed to just playing his assignment. Tank was trying to sack the QB on every down this year and leaving gaping holes....but hey, he was the star of Hard Knocks...and he had to show everyone he was a "beast"

when you "acquire" this much talent and pay them this much money...everyone is going to want to prove to the owner that they were worth the coin they were paid. Garrett was able to score points last year WITHOUT Terry Glenn! He did it with Owens, Crayton and Witten. Bringing in all of these other offensive weapons made it harder....not easier. That is on the GM/Owner

I don't hate Jerry....don't think he is the worst GM in football...but if HE DOES NOT CHANGE WE WILL NOT WIN

If players KNOW they can go the de facto coach whenever they are not getting their way...as even a well respected grizzled veteran like Ellis did this year.....that means Wade and Garret and Stewart etc....are just dead men walking the sidelines

JERRY needs to get out of the way after he acquires talent..and give the coaches the final say and how the game is going to be played.

 

[bbgun]

As Dale "truthteller" Hansen noted yesterday, we are presently saddled with a GM who could not get a job anywhere else were he to make himself available, and a head coach who could not get a job anywhere else either. Other than that, things are fantastic. Sigh.

 

[wileedog]

As Dale "truthteller" Hansen noted yesterday, we are presently saddled with a GM who could not get a job anywhere else were he to make himself available, and a head coach who could not get a job anywhere else either. Sigh.

And an OC who was never one before coming here lined up to be the next HC probably right around this time next year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nice New but i still am waiting for specifics rather than the stupid fearmongering that is the rage.

we can't win under a demanding coach, and can't win with an easy-going coach either

but there is one constant

Jerry Jones

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, it depends upon your definition of futility. If it is not winning a SB, then only six or maybe seven teams fall outside of that definition. If it's putting competitive teams on the football field, then he has been successful at that. I agree he was terrible post 90s SBs, but since then he has gotten much better. Just, because the end results aren't what are expected means he's still the same person that he was post 90s.

Perhaps JJ the GM can't be fixed by removing him as one. But, JJ at his job at GM can be, and there is evidence to support that.

tying the 'aints December record in a 11-year timespan, the most important month of the regular season, is pretty futile

all under the ever-watchful eye of Jerry Jones

btw, got to hand it to wileedog, he just flipped the Jerry Jones' argument on it's head

 

[bbgun]

we can't win under a demanding coach, and can't win with an easy-going coach either

but there is one constant

Jerry Jones

Shhh. This is a reality-free zone. Jerry is untouchable.

 

[Stash]

As Dale "truthteller" Hansen noted yesterday, we are presently saddled with a GM who could not get a job anywhere else were he to make himself available, and a head coach who could not get a job anywhere else either. Other than that, things are fantastic. Sigh.

Boy, unfortunately that does sound accurate.

I heard a quote several months back that also rings true, it was from "Copycat" Chris Landry (don't know if he lifted it from someone else):

"The Cowboys have talent, but they have a quarterbacks coach for an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for a head coach"

It struck me as accurate at the time and seems more so at this point.

Couple that with a GM who would never get hired elsewhere and it's a scary combination.

 

[Hostile]

Fuzzy, not that you need it brah, but at any time that you want it, I got your back on the original post in this thread.

Couldn't have said it any better.

You want backup, just holler.

 

[Venger]

I think there are fundamental issues that are wrong with the team, but I think it has more to do with coaching than the GM.

WHO HIRES THE COACHES? Why do we keep getting puppets who report to the GM, rather than coaches that report to the head coach?

This is cognitive dissonance - accountability goes to the top decision maker in a failed system. If you have bad players, you has who chose them? If you have bad personnel people, you ask who hired them? If you have bad staff, you ask who hired them? And after 12 ****** years of eating a feces sandwich, I want to know who is doing the damn cooking. You just want your sandwich with cheese.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Shhh. This is a reality-free zone. Jerry is untouchable.

and to think 6 months ago I would have been fighting you and Bach tooth and nail

but iceberg will be in shortly to label me a chicken-little

goodness knows it only took me 16 years to snap

 

[Idgit]

Shhh. This is a reality-free zone. Jerry is untouchable.

When we're done with Jerry as GM of the Cowboys, I want you guys all on my side to complain about something else that's been driving me crazy for a long time: gravity. What's up with gravity, anyway? Without it, I could fly wherever I want and my feet wouldn't get so sore. Somebody should write Gravity a letter and let it know how we really feel.

 

[Stash]

and to think 6 months ago I would have been fighting you and Bach tooth and nail

but iceberg will be in shortly to label me a chicken-little

goodness knows it only took me 16 years to snap

"Chicken Little"?

I'll wear that tag with pride at this point.

9-7?

No playoffs?

The sky did fall...
:anvil:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"Chicken Little"?

I'll wear that tag with pride at this point.

9-7?

No playoffs?

The sky did fall...
:anvil:

hey, it was only a "rough" year

 

[Hostile]

Well, another GM would be accountable to Jerry, so taking away that position from him and putting in someone else, still fundamentally relies on how Jerry perceives he is doing the GM job.

So technically, you're in a quandary. You love JJ the owner, but hate JJ the GM. So you wouldn't want him to sell the team to someone else, but you don't want him as GM, but the latter still relies on his judgment.

People keep saying Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM by now.

So my question becomes how many GMs should we have gone through in the last 20 years for people to be satisfied? Should we change GMs every 5 years? Would that be satisfactory? Rebuild and retool instead of reload?

I think the whole argument is foolish.

There doesn't have to be a "constant" that causes the problems. But people need their conspiracies.