Jerry Jones Sure Makes a Good Scapegoat

[Bob Sacamano]

People keep saying Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM by now.

So my question becomes how many GMs should we have gone through in the last 20 years for people to be satisfied? Should we change GMs every 5 years? Would that be satisfactory? Rebuild and retool instead of reload?

I think the whole argument is foolish.

There doesn't have to be a "constant" that causes the problems. But people need their conspiracies.

you don't always hit on GMs, but sometimes you do and you get a run of successful seasons, 4-5 (regular season wins, playoff wins, even a SB win) out of it

we've had a run alright, although I would put an "s" at the end and say we've had the runs for 13 years

at least play the odds

 

[bbgun]

and to think 6 months ago I would have been fighting you and Bach tooth and nail

but iceberg will be in shortly to label me a chicken-little

goodness knows it only took me 16 years to snap

The sky didn't just fall; it crashed and burned. Trust me: the Jerryphiles have identified their patsy, and his name is Wade. Get ready for another round of mindless genuflecting if Jerry hires a new coach instead of a new GM.

 

[wileedog]

So my question becomes how many GMs should we have gone through in the last 20 years for people to be satisfied? Should we change GMs every 5 years? Would that be satisfactory? Rebuild and retool instead of reload?

How about we just hire one first and see what happens? Cause this one has demonstrated for well over a decade that he's not really that good at it.

*EDIT* and BTW before the inevitable "whose available that's better" question, Scott Pioli looks like he's getting out of NE. That would be a pretty good start, dontchya think?

 

[Rampage]

The sky didn't just fall; it crashed and burned. Trust me: the Jerryphiles have identified their patsy, and his name is Wade. Get ready for another round of mindless genuflecting if Jerry hires a new coach instead of a new GM.

hey pictures can say a thousand words. I know you got one ready to go

and to think 6 months ago I would have been fighting you and Bach tooth and nail

but iceberg will be in shortly to label me a chicken-little

goodness knows it only took me 16 years to snap

oh man you and bbgun going at it was so funny one time. you called him "bbdum" and he called you "bob sacacrapo" that had be laughing for a while.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The sky didn't just fall; it crashed and burned. Trust me: the Jerryphiles have identified their patsy, and his name is Wade. Get ready for another round of mindless genuflecting if Jerry hires a new coach instead of a new GM.

I used to be a Jerry/Cowboyphile, I still have the dusty, crumpled card, I know how it works

hey pictures can say a thousand words. I know you got one ready to go


oh man you and bbgun going at it was so funny one time. you called him "bbdum" and he called you "bob sacacrapo" that had be laughing for a while.

yeah, we had some good ones

 

[Dave_in-NC]

People keep saying Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM by now.

So my question becomes how many GMs should we have gone through in the last 20 years for people to be satisfied? Should we change GMs every 5 years? Would that be satisfactory? Rebuild and retool instead of reload?

I think the whole argument is foolish.

There doesn't have to be a "constant" that causes the problems. But people need their conspiracies.

I can't say for sure it would cure all, but you can't say it wont.
I do know this isn't working, so instead of running into the wall over and over maybe turn left or right. Even rats figure that out.

 

[Hostile]

you don't always hit on GMs, but sometimes you do and you get a run of successful seasons, 4-5 (regular season wins, playoff wins, even a SB win) out of it

we've had a run alright, although I would put an "s" at the end and say we've had the runs for 13 years

at least play the odds

Did this address how many different GMs Jerry should have tried?

I missed it.

Limit it to the last 12 years of "futility." Should 2009 be at least the 3rd GM he has tried? Would that pacify everyone if we'd had 3 GMs fail?

 

[Hostile]

How about we just hire one first and see what happens? Cause this one has demonstrated for well over a decade that he's not really that good at it.

I disagree.

 

[bbgun]

hey pictures can say a thousand words. I know you got one ready to go.

Picture of what?

oh man you and bbgun going at it was so funny one time. you called him "bbdum" and he called you "bob sacacrapo" that had be laughing for a while

My own fault. I picked a name that was too easy to mock.

 

[Rampage]

I disagree.

i'm suprised you feel this way.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did this address how many different GMs Jerry should have tried?

I missed it.

Limit it to the last 12 years of "futility." Should 2009 be at least the 3rd GM he has tried? Would that pacify everyone if we'd had 3 GMs fail?

if I said just one, would it really matter?

what if Jerry hits on his one GM choice and we go on a run? what if every GM choice he makes, turns into gold?

and it's not just hiring a GM, Jerry has to step back completely

 

[wileedog]

Did this address how many different GMs Jerry should have tried?

I missed it.

Limit it to the last 12 years of "futility." Should 2009 be at least the 3rd GM he has tried? Would that pacify everyone if we'd had 3 GMs fail?

So your argument is we should never ever replace a GM, or coach, or scout, or player for that matter, because that person may fail too and then we would just have to hire another one.

Do you even believe this or just trying to stir the pot here?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So your argument is we should never ever replace a GM, or coach, or scout, or player for that matter, because that person may fail too and then we would just have to hire another one.

Do you even believe this or just trying to stir the pot here?

at the least he doesn't display much confidence in the man he's so ardently defending

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I disagree.

A honest question.

Do you think any other team would hire Jerry Jones as a GM? Do you honestly think they would?

Not as a person to make money in business ventures or advertisement or any thing of that nature...but just as a GM.

I personally do not think one team would.

If another team had 13 years of the same GM without one playoff victory the majority would say that team needs to get another GM.

Jerry is not as bad as he used to be. I would agree he has grown a great deal...esp with the help of Bill.

But I don't think another team would hire him to be their GM and I don't think too many teams that wants to really win (in other words their owners are not cheap skates) would go 13 years with the same GM without a playoff win.

Also GMs do hire different coaches over the years if the current ones do not get it done, but most teams learn that if a GM hires a number of coaches, makes a great deal of player changes, spends a large amount for many players....and they still don't get a playoff win....most times those GMs are replaced.

 

[bbgun]

So your argument is we should never ever replace a GM, or coach, or scout, or player for that matter, because that person may fail too and then we would just have to hire another one.

Do you even believe this or just trying to stir the pot here?

This would be a good time to break out Einstein's definition of insanity.

 

[Hostile]

I can't say for sure it would cure all, but you can't say it wont.
I do know this isn't working, so instead of running into the wall over and over maybe turn left or right. Even rats figure that out.

Right, so let's keep trying new GMs and they will bring in new coaches until we suck out and get it right.

Great plan.

I'll pass.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

A honest question.

Do you think any other team would hire Jerry Jones as a GM? Do you honestly think they would?

Not as a person to make money in business ventures or advertisement or any thing of that nature...but just as a GM.

I personally do not think one team would.

If another team had 13 years of the same GM without one playoff victory the majority would say that team needs to get another GM.

Jerry is not as bad as he used to be. I would agree he has grown a great deal...esp with the help of Bill.

But I don't think another team would hire him to be their GM and I don't think too many teams that wants to really win (in other words their owners are not cheap skates) would go 13 years with the same GM without a playoff win.

if a GM had this type of year, he would be standing in line with Phil Savage

 

[Rampage]

Right, so let's keep trying new GMs and they will bring in new coaches until we suck out and get it right.

Great plan.

I'll pass.

instead we keep the same "GM" who keeps bringing in new coaches and we still suck. we sucked this year for the talent we have incase you missed this season.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

instead we keep the same "GM" who keeps bringing in new coaches and we still suck. we sucked this year for the talent we have incase you mised this season.

not just new coaches, but 2 coaches with polar opposite approaches to coaching

and the result is still the same, a swooning, December meltdown

different cast, same results, only Jerry could pull that one off *insert other loser GM*

 

[bbgun]

A honest question.

Do you think any other team would hire Jerry Jones as a GM? Do you honestly think they would?

Not as a person to make money in business ventures or advertisement or any thing of that nature...but just as a GM.

I personally do not think one team would.

If another team had 13 years of the same GM without one playoff victory the majority would say that team needs to get another GM.

Jerry is not as bad as he used to be. I would agree he has grown a great deal...esp with the help of Bill.

But I don't think another team would hire him to be their GM and I don't think too many teams that wants to really win (in other words their owners are not cheap skates) would go 13 years with the same GM without a playoff win.

Bravo. But don't hold your breath. They're all for playing musical chairs with head coaches but not the GM. Never the GM. Curious, no? How I envy Giants fans with Jerry Reese at the helm.