Jerry Jones Sure Makes a Good Scapegoat

[Hostile]

A honest question.

Do you think any other team would hire Jerry Jones as a GM? Do you honestly think they would?

Not as a person to make money in business ventures or advertisement or any thing of that nature...but just as a GM.

I personally do not think one team would.

If another team had 13 years of the same GM without one playoff victory the majority would say that team needs to get another GM.

Jerry is not as bad as he used to be. I would agree he has grown a great deal...esp with the help of Bill.

But I don't think another team would hire him to be their GM and I don't think too many teams that wants to really win (in other words their owners are not cheap skates) would go 13 years with the same GM without a playoff win.

No matter what I answer it will not placate you.

Yes. I think he could get a job as an NFL GM based on his resume as the GM in Dallas. He has assembled a very good scouting department that is Drafting well. He has successfully acquired solid Free Agents. His team is not cap strapped. He has 3 Super Bowl rings as the GM. (Someone will now attempt to explain away any contribution he had to those rings.) These are the things asked of GMs in the NFL. If he was not a Billionaire and if he were not too old to be given a 10 year run, yes, I would consider him a good candidate to come in and rebuild a franchise.

I have never yet in all my years of studying this game seen a perfect GM. Is Jerry Jones the only GM who has had a bad Draft or acquired a Free Agent who flopped? Are you freaking kidding me?

These are the qualms about him that has everyone sucking down Maalox.

Since 2003 he has earned some slack. He won't get it. I find that mind boggling and completely lacking in football comprehension in a lot of ways.

You are welcome to disagree. I expect many will. Que sera sera.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Right, so let's keep trying new GMs and they will bring in new coaches until we suck out and get it right.

Great plan.

I'll pass.

Who said that? This plan is going on fourteen bad years, why stick with it? Kodak did that. Now they are blowing up Bldgs because it's cheaper on taxes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No matter what I answer it will not placate you.

Yes. I think he could get a job as an NFL GM based on his resume as the GM in Dallas. He has assembled a very good scouting department that is Drafting well. He has successfully acquired solid Free Agents. His team is not cap strapped. He has 3 Super Bowl rings as the GM. (Someone will now attempt to explain away any contribution he had to those rings.) These are the things asked of GMs in the NFL. If he was not a Billionaire and if he were not too old to be given a 10 year run, yes, I would consider him a good candidate to come in and rebuild a franchise.

I have never yet in all my years of studying this game seen a perfect GM. Is Jerry Jones the only GM who has had a bad Draft or acquired a Free Agent who flopped? Are you freaking kidding me?

These are the qualms about him that has everyone sucking down Maalox.

Since 2003 he has earned some slack. He won't get it. I find that mind boggling and completely lacking in football comprehension in a lot of ways.

You are welcome to disagree. I expect many will. Que sera sera.

Jimmy Johnson earned him 2 of those rings

the GM Jerry of today wasn't created until after we won our 2nd Super Bowl, when Jimmy Johnson snubbed Jerry at a party

 

[Bach]

Anyone who can still defend Jerry and think he's not the problem has absolutely zero credibility.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if a GM had this type of year, he would be standing in line with Phil Savage

if a GM had the kind of draft JJ had along with wrapping up Romo, Ratliff, and Barber long term he would be lauded.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Jimmy Johnson earned him 2 of those rings

the GM Jerry of today wasn't created until after we won our 2nd Super Bowl, when Jimmy Johnson snubbed Jerry at a party

Jimmy AND Jerry won those rings and EARNED those rings.

I don't think they would have gotten those rings without each other.

So I have never taken that away from Jerry.

However would we keep a GM that won superbowls over a decade ago, if he has not fielded a team that has won one playoff game in over a decade?

I don't think so.

I think hos is playing a little devils advocate and I have no problem with that as I do that quite a bit myself.

Jerry has learned over the years and has grown since bill was here, but he is also a part of the problem with this team.

I don't think any team would keep a GM who had them shell out the signing bonuses he has over the last 4 years alone without coming away with a playoff victory.

 

[Bach]

He has 3 Super Bowl rings as the GM. (Someone will now attempt to explain away any contribution he had to those rings.)

I know you don't even believe he's the main contributor, hence the addendum in parenthesis.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if a GM had the kind of draft JJ had along with wrapping up Romo, Ratliff, and Barber long term he would be lauded.

you don't get lauded in December, for what you do in April and March

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jimmy Johnson earned him 2 of those rings

the GM Jerry of today wasn't created until after we won our 2nd Super Bowl, when Jimmy Johnson snubbed Jerry at a party

No they both got those rings. People just want to gloss over the fact that the Haley trade as well as the Walker trade were all Jones. Those were the two linchpins of those championship runs.

Heck, one of the main reasons why Jimmy left is because Jones wouldn't give him final say in personnel.

 

[Bach]

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I have never yet in all my years of studying this game seen a perfect GM. Is Jerry Jones the only GM who has had a bad Draft or acquired a Free Agent who flopped? Are you freaking kidding me?

No one is looking for perfection. Just competency and putting the team first.

 

[Bach]

No they both got those rings. People just want to gloss over the fact that the Haley trade as well as the Walker trade were all Jones. Those were the two linchpins of those championship runs.

Heck, one of the main reasons why Jimmy left is because Jones wouldn't give him final say in personnel.

Spin. Spin. Spin.

If Jerry was doing the drafting with the all the picks we got from the Walker trade we'd still be looking for our first SB win since '77.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

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Man, that is one funny sig.

Its up there with Juke99's old Vinny/Parcells Titanic Signature.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Spin. Spin. Spin.

If Jerry was doing the drafting with the all the picks we got from the Walker trade we'd still be looking for our first SB win since '77.

I don't think we'd have Emmitt and thus no SBs either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jimmy AND Jerry won those rings and EARNED those rings.

I don't think they would have gotten those rings without each other.

So I have never taken that away from Jerry.

However would we keep a GM that won superbowls over a decade ago, if he has not fielded a team that has won one playoff game in over a decade?

I don't think so.

I think hos is playing a little devils advocate and I have no problem with that as I do that quite a bit myself.

Jerry has learned over the years and has grown since bill was here, but he is also a part of the problem with this team.

I don't think any team would keep a GM who had them shell out the signing bonuses he has over the last 4 years alone without coming away with a playoff victory.

regarding Jimmy and Jerry, those early years of the team were when Jerry was very hands off, and all the personnel decisions largely rested with Jimmy: who was signed, who was drafted, the Hershel Walker trade, who was cut, etc.

the only time Jerry felt he needed to have his handprints on the day-to-day operations of the team, not the franchise, was when he felt that Jimmy was too insolent, and that he didn't receive the credit that he felt he deserved as owner

back then Jerry signed the checks and marketed the Cowboys, and let his coaches coach

he should go back to that

 

[Stash]

Have we addressed Jerry as meddling owner or are we simply focusing on the job he's done as GM?

Is one 'hat' exclusive of the other in this conversation?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you don't get lauded in December, for what you do in April and March

Really, because I always figured GMs were judged on bringing in talent. Now I will agree that his choices in coaching so far are specious but I am holding out hope that he is trying to bring in someone else and simply not going to hamstring WP if he fails to do so.

I still find it odd that he can go into the lockerroom and take the team to task as well as force the HC to take away duties from his DC and ST coach and not be looking elsewhere.

The only rationale I can see for that is Garrett and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

 

[zrinkill]

Jimmy AND Jerry won those rings and EARNED those rings.

I don't think they would have gotten those rings without each other.

I always get attacked by the anti Jerry Regime when I point this out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No they both got those rings. People just want to gloss over the fact that the Haley trade as well as the Walker trade were all Jones. Those were the two linchpins of those championship runs.

Heck, one of the main reasons why Jimmy left is because Jones wouldn't give him final say in personnel.

the main reason was that Jerry fired Jimmy

 

[wileedog]

Yes. I think he could get a job as an NFL GM based on his resume as the GM in Dallas. He has assembled a very good scouting department that is Drafting well.

Bill put together that scouting department. The last one Jerry built was headed up by Larry Lacewell.

I'll give you the last drafts were good, but also will note that last year the Chiefs were noted as having the hands down best overall draft, and that GM just got fired this season.

He has successfully acquired solid Free Agents

He has an advantage that he is the only GM who is also the owner with a huge checkbook. He doesn't need approval to an extra million or two for anybody from someone else paying the bills.

e has 3 Super Bowl rings as the GM.

Followed by a 13 year playoff drought. Even the best have to prove they can still do it occasionally. Until some evidence proves otherwise, the people who give the credit to Jimmy for that team are right.

I have a hard time believing that if Jerry wasn't the owner and was just a GM he would still be employed here after the past 13 years. I sincerely believe almost no GM could have survived the utter disastrous ending of this season and the way it is being handled internally, including keeping what everyone knows is a lame duck coach for one more year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think we'd have Emmitt and thus no SBs either.

No kidding. Jerry had final say on all personnel matters since day 1. That includes the Johnson years and the drafts.