Jerry, on ESPN, says Ware may not be back next season

bkight13 said:
If they have to take a 8.5m cap hit either way, I would rather keep Ware as a contributor. They can still draft DL heavy, but Ware can still be an asset. This is predicated on him taking a major pay cut of course.
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You are forgetting or completely unaware that releasing Ware clears approx. 7.3 million off the overage on the cap.
If I'm not mistaken ... he is a 16 million number this year .....12+ is base salary though ..... That's 12 mil you save after june 1
the hit in keeping Ware for 2015 is even a greater chunk that you don't want to deal with while dealing new deals for Bryant and Carter, who may play big, and Murray and especially Smith. Cap space is like gold now. again, If he's traded before June 1st or he becomes a pre-June 1st cut he'll count as $8,571,500 towards the cap. If he's listed as a post-June 1st cut or he's traded after that date he'll count as $3,753,750 towards the 2014 cap, (includes additional work-out bonus), and $5,317,750 towards 2015.Cap hits are not passed on. All of Ware's cap hit will be absorbed by the Cowboys. Any trading team would acquire the terms and conditions of Ware's current non-guaranteed contract
 
Little Jr said:
the dallas cowboys lost that game vs the giants in the 07 playoffs. the was part of the dallas cowboys. ware is one of favorite players but he gets a pass from the fan base way to easy.
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Was that the Championship Game?
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Was that the Championship Game?
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that was the Chumpionship Game. And Dallas had a very strong team in 07' I really thought we could go the distance. The Giants were 10-6 while we went 13-3 had beat them twice and had a lead in the "Divisional Series" going into the 4th qtr at "home" Penalties killed us again and Romo was intercepted in the endzone during the final minutes.
 
theSHOW said:
You are forgetting or completely unaware that releasing Ware clears approx. 7.3 million off the overage on the cap.
If I'm not mistaken ... he is a 16 million number this year .....12+ is base salary though ..... That's 12 mil you save after june 1
the hit in keeping Ware for 2015 is even a greater chunk that you don't want to deal with while dealing new deals for Bryant and Carter, who may play big, and Murray and especially Smith. Cap space is like gold now. again, If he's traded before June 1st or he becomes a pre-June 1st cut he'll count as $8,571,500 towards the cap. If he's listed as a post-June 1st cut or he's traded after that date he'll count as $3,753,750 towards the 2014 cap, (includes additional work-out bonus), and $5,317,750 towards 2015.Cap hits are not passed on. All of Ware's cap hit will be absorbed by the Cowboys. Any trading team would acquire the terms and conditions of Ware's current non-guaranteed contract
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I'm aware of all of the ramifications of cutting, keeping, trading, restructuring or re-doing Ware. Cap space isn't like gold unless you mean it peaked 2 years ago and is becoming less valuable. The cap will rise significantly in the next few seasons, the TV are already signed and in place.

I would still keep Ware on a reduced salary(2 yrs/16m) over cutting him. It adds more dead money, but less than restructuring and lowers his cap in 2015 by 7m as well. They can get 2 more years out of Ware and still draft his replacements.
 
theSHOW said:
that was the Chumpionship Game. And Dallas had a very strong team in 07' I really thought we could go the distance. The Giants were 10-6 while we went 13-3 had beat them twice and had a lead in the "Divisional Series" going into the 4th qtr at "home" Penalties killed us again and Romo was intercepted in the endzone during the final minutes.
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Yeah, I was here for that season as well. That is the closest we have ever been with Ware as a member of the team, which was not close. I guess I just don't understand.
 
bkight13 said:
Dallas can get to 5-7m under the cap without dealing with Ware. That's more than enough to sign a couple big FAs. Then after Ware, Austin and Orton are dealt with, they can get up to another 10-13m.
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Yes, now that the Salary Cap has increased, they would have about 7.5M without touching the contracts of Ware, Austin or Orton.
 
Risen Star said:
You couldn't sign a couple of significant free agents with that 5-7 million. You have to sign your rookie class. You need some money going into the year for the flexibility to make other signings if need be.
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If Austin is a June 1st cut, that would free up 5.5M. They will only need about 2M to sign draft picks because they replace other players on the top 51.
 
theSHOW said:
that was the Chumpionship Game. And Dallas had a very strong team in 07' I really thought we could go the distance. The Giants were 10-6 while we went 13-3 had beat them twice and had a lead in the "Divisional Series" going into the 4th qtr at "home" Penalties killed us again and Romo was intercepted in the endzone during the final minutes.
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Yep.

Romo led a 14 play 8+ minute drive to open the 3rd quarter, which resulted in a FG rather than a touchdown after a drop in the end zone and a false start on Adams. That's a 4 point swing, and they lost by 4 points. Dallas was whistled for 11 penalties, there was bad tackling on D and special teams, and then there was Crayton giving up on the route. Romo's Int. happened on 4th & 11 with 16 seconds to play. The Giants first 2 TD drives were aided by Dallas penalties, the first being an offsides penalty & the second being a 15-yard face mask penalty (the 2nd was a last minute drive that made it 14-14 at halftime). Special teams also gave up a couple of costly returns.
 
ccb04 said:
Yep.

Romo led a 14 play 8+ minute drive to open the 3rd quarter, which resulted in a FG rather than a touchdown after a drop in the end zone and a false start on Adams. That's a 4 point swing, and they lost by 4 points. Dallas was whistled for 11 penalties, there was bad tackling on D and special teams, and then there was Crayton giving up on the route. Romo's Int. happened on 4th & 11 with 16 seconds to play. The Giants first 2 TD drives were aided by Dallas penalties, the first being an offsides penalty & the second being a 15-yard face mask penalty (the 2nd was a last minute drive that made it 14-14 at halftime). Special teams also gave up a couple of costly returns.
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well said. And thanks for more sickening remembrances.
 
bkight13 said:
Wrong. The initial 5-7m covers a couple big FAs if they choose(Melton, Joseph, Byrd, Hardy, Bennett, Hatcher)
Then they deal with Ware and get another 7-9m.
Then Austin is a June 1st cut and they get another 5.5m.
If Orton retires or is cut is that another 3.5m.
Rookies cost less than 2m to sign(rule of 51).
Still money to extend Dez and TSmith and sign some camp vets that are cut
There is no problem working the cap, for the 1,000,000th time.
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Stephen....is that you?
 
hutch1254 said:
Stephen....is that you?
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Is that a compliment or do you not understand basic math?
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I am fine with out right cutting Ware and 4 fresh faces on the Dline. What we got either wasn't working or can't stay healthy to see if it works.4 fresh faces and Marinelli I can roll with. Get young, get out of cap jail and use Ware's situation as an example to never set yourself up with a player / contract again going forward. Trouble is the guy in charge needs to acknowledge that.
 
bkight13 said:
Is that a compliment or do you not understand basic math?
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I am definitely not questioning your math. You were slinging the numbers pretty good and ylastlllast sentence of one million times the cap is not a problem sounded like Stephen talking. Made me chuckle that's all.
 
hutch1254 said:
I am fine with out right cutting Ware and 4 fresh faces on the Dline. What we got either wasn't working or can't stay healthy to see if it works.4 fresh faces and Marinelli I can roll with. Get young, get out of cap jail and use Ware's situation as an example to never set yourself up with a player / contract again going forward. Trouble is the guy in charge needs to acknowledge that.
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Ware's contract was one the best the team has ever signed. They got the prime years from a superstar at below average cap hits and now that he is in the decline, they can walk away with little damage. They got the benefit of eating a large portion of his deal during the uncapped year in 2010, but it is still a great contract. The last 4 years are "tack on" years to deal with the pro-ration of his signing bonuses and restructures and to make his ego and agent feel better. They never intended to pay him 13m a year, unless he was still getting 20 sacks a year.
 
hutch1254 said:
I am definitely not questioning your math. You were slinging the numbers pretty good and ylastlllast sentence of one million times the cap is not a problem sounded like Stephen talking. Made me chuckle that's all.
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With the way Stephen and Jerry are lampooned around here, it's hard to not take it as an insult. No worries, I'm glad I made you laugh.
 
bkight13 said:
Ware's contract was one the best the team has ever signed. They got the prime years from a superstar at below average cap hits and now that he is in the decline, they can walk away with little damage. They got the benefit of eating a large portion of his deal during the uncapped year in 2010, but it is still a great contract. The last 4 years are "tack on" years to deal with the pro-ration of his signing bonuses and restructures and to make his ego and agent feel better. They never intended to pay him 13m a year, unless he was still getting 20 sacks a year.
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I can't argue that. I think what I meant to say or was driving at is that now that we ARE on the back end of his deal people like myself and others see the 12-13 mil number he is due next season and think "no freaking way am I paying that for what he's produced lately!!!" Meanwhile overlooking or conveniently forgetting what you mention above. All most of us see is that big number owed next year and in our haste we want to cut the guy without trying to negotiate a better deal/situation first.

I'm still fine if they ultimately cut him. If they limit his snaps the money better get limited as well, what it gets limited down too is what many of us may be over reacting or sweating about.
 
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