JFK Assassination...Your Honest Thoughts

[CowboyDan]

This is an accurate depiction of what a bullet does to an apple.

This wouldn't happen to be one those really good apples that Hos was talking about a while back would it?

I've yet to try one and seeing one splattered like this seems like such a waste.

It is a waste, but that's besides the point. If you can find a time lapse photo of a bullet going in and out of someone's head, be my guest. You might get banned for posting it, but you never know till you try. It appears to me that there is spray in both directions. Is that a fair analysis?

 

[MetalHead]

Great thread.
I would like to add something to this thread to add reality to those who claim that those were easy shots.
It may have been duplicated in re-enactment with dummies,and the marksmen may have scored direct hits on the target.
Now,let's add the human factor.The shooter that November day was not shooting at a dummy,he was taking a shot at the leader of the free world,with an unsuspecting audience,and no cue,like a hunter,sit and wait.Nervous some?...this was no deer,this was the POTUS.
Chapman shot Lennon at a close range,Whitman shot from the UT tower at random,but this guy by himself scored 2 shots at a moving target including a fatal head shot with a Carcano?

Makes you think,doesn't it?

 

[blindzebra]

Let me throw some science into this.

Conspiracy nuts point to two things as proof of a second or more gunmen:

Kennedy bringing his hands to his throat and his head moving back.

Well the hands are an neurological reaction caused by nerve damage. Kennedy's x-rays showed bone fragments in the area of his neck and the small exit described by the emergency room doctors is because of the tightness of his tie.

The backwards snap is called jet effect. When you have a air tight object open with explosive force, the speed of the matter being expelled cause motion in the opposite direction.

And for the record they did repeat the test with a another rifle from the grassy knoll and it did not destroy the head. It did however in no way leave a large hole in the right side or back of the head...it blew out the LEFT side of the head and would have probably hit Jackie.

So one more time....at the time of the fatal shot the limo was almost even with the grassy knoll. A noll shot is much more from the side than from infront.

 

[Hoofbite]

It is a waste, but that's besides the point. If you can find a time lapse photo of a bullet going in and out of someone's head, be my guest. You might get banned for posting it, but you never know till you try. It appears to me that there is spray in both directions. Is that a fair analysis?

In an apple, it appears like there is spray in both directions.

 

[Hostile]

I'll take that as a "yes."

And do we agree that there was blood and other matter on the trunk of the car, as well as inside the car, in front of Kennedy?

We have this thing called gravity. If you look at the Zapruder film you can see the blood splatter rise above Kennedy's head and then come down on the trunk. It is as plain as day.

No, the apple is not an accurate depiction. There is no skull in an apple.

Entrance wounds are small and often seared around the edges. Exit wounds especially those that hit bone and begin to shred the bullets come out much larger. Hollow point or jacketed bullets will really explode.

You ask if there were fragments found in JFK's skull. The truth is I don't know. I have heard yes and I have heard no.

I have heard just about every conspiracy theory ever postulated about this event. Including one that implicates Kennedy's driver. That is ridiculous, but people believe it. They believe that he turned around and fired directly between the Connally's and no one knew.

I believe there could be a conspiracy. I do. I do not believe the shot that killed him could come from the right. I am telling you that is the impossible shot of all of these.

Frame 313 shows something traveling upward away from Kennedy's skull. Is it skull or the bullet? It could be either. If it is the bullet which way did it come from? The truth is, the wound is consistent with a shot from behind, not in front.

 

[Hoofbite]

Let me throw some science into this.

Conspiracy nuts point to two things as proof of a second or more gunmen:

Kennedy bringing his hands to his throat and his head moving back.

Well the hands are an neurological reaction caused by nerve damage. Kennedy's x-rays showed bone fragments in the area of his neck and the small exit described by the emergency room doctors is because of the tightness of his tie.

I'd think the grasping of the neck is a result of being shot in the neck.

Anyone ever caught a shot to the throat? Not a bullet but been hit in throat.

I remember the year I played football (I played 1 year because I was the smallest guy on the heavyweights and got my *** kicked. I should have asked to replacement after a week or two because I was over the limit by like 5 pounds. I could have been the biggest guy on the lightweights which would have been fun.) we were practicing handing off to each other, one right after the other, and the guy that was handing the ball to me was an idiot. I don't know how but his elbow ended up in my throat. You get hit in the voice box, you're done. It damn near chokes the hell out of you.

I think that him grabbing his throat is a result of being hit in the throat.

The backwards snap is called jet effect. When you have a air tight object open with explosive force, the speed of the matter being expelled cause motion in the opposite direction.

And for the record they did repeat the test with a another rifle from the grassy knoll and it did not destroy the head. It did however in no way leave a large hole in the right side or back of the head...it blew out the LEFT side of the head and would have probably hit Jackie.

So one more time....at the time of the fatal shot the limo was almost even with the grassy knoll. A noll shot is much more from the side than from infront.

As far as why he jerked back, it could have been a number of reasons. Earlier someone mentioned his chin on his neck. Its almost like a door stopper. You can only bend it so far and then it snaps back.

But if you think about it, him snapping back could have been an involuntary response to brain damage. You ever seen a person take a good shot to the brain? Sometimes they go into a seizure. In fact, Darren Woodson sent a Seahawks WR into a seizure with a perfectly clean hit that was flagged.

When your brain gets rocked, your body does some weird stuff. Him jerking back could have been the response of his brain getting smashed.

 

[blindzebra]

Hoof if you watch the film his arms lock in that position and stay up until his head explodes. You can even see Jackie push down on his arm and it does not move.

 

[Hoofbite]

Hoof if you watch the film his arms lock in that position and stay up until his head explodes. You can even see Jackie push down on his arm and it does not move.

I thought that was her pulling him closer to hear what he was saying.

Either way, no doubt his motor control was lost when the second bullet hit. You don't lose half a head and retain control over your body.

 

[Hostile]

I thought that was her pulling him closer to hear what he was saying.

Either way, no doubt his motor control was lost when the second bullet hit. You don't lose half a head and retain control over your body.

No indeed.

 

[Hostile]

I completely disagree but I deleted it anyway.

 

[CowboyDan]

Ok, on with the questions....
Is there any form of audio that you accept as a geniune recording of the event? If so, what is it?

 

[Viper]

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I always thought that this was the true reason he was killed.

 

[blindzebra]

Ok, on with the questions....
Is there any form of audio that you accept as a geniune recording of the event? If so, what is it?

The open dictabelt was shown to be false so no there is no audio recording.

You know the trouble with all the conspiracy "facts" you keep throwing out?

One, they are not facts. There is no evidence to support any of it.

Two, they are put out by people interested in making a buck.

And what it adds up to is regardless of how many concrete facts and overwhelming evidence of the truth presented all that comes back is yeah but...followed by yet another manufactured argument.

 

[Hostile]

Ok, on with the questions....
Is there any form of audio that you accept as a geniune recording of the event? If so, what is it?

No, but I will listen to anything you post, just as I have watched every video. Notherbob's recollection and knowing the echoes carries more weight with me than any other sound recording will.

 

[Hostile]

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I always thought that this was the true reason he was killed.

Why do you think that? If I remember correctly that speech was before he became President. Part of his campaign for President rather than his Presidency.

 

[CowboyDan]

No, but I will listen to anything you post, just as I have watched every video. Notherbob's recollection and knowing the echoes carries more weight with me than any other sound recording will.

And you trust Notherbob's recollection because he was in the area when it happened and says he heard 3 shots plus echoes, right?

 

[Hostile]

And you trust Notherbob's recollection because he was in the area when it happened and says he heard 3 shots plus echoes, right?

I think he made a lot of sense.

 

[Viper]

Why do you think that? If I remember correctly that speech was before he became President. Part of his campaign for President rather than his Presidency.

Every thing I've read, that is the last official speech he made before he was killed.

 

[Hostile]

Every thing I've read, that is the last official speech he made before he was killed.

From the Kennedy Library and Museum here are all of his speeches. They are separated by the years he made them. There are a lot in 1960 because he was campaigning. If you go to September 12, 1960 (page 4 of the 1960 speeches) and see one he made to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, I believe it will be that speech.

According to that site the last speech he made was also in Houston, but it was a dedication of an aerospace medical center.

They also show the 2 speeches he would have made in Dallas and then in Austin that evening.

 

[CowboyDan]

I think the words of the guy who was standing right next the limo as it passed make a lot of sense, when he said the 3rd shot came from the grassy knoll area. So is it safe to say that there are differing accounts of how many shots were fired and of where they were coming from?

By the way, here's a great link to all the Warren Commission's evidence. You guys should really enjoy this.... http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wcexlink.htm