JJT Say Garrett Controls the Draft

[TwoDeep3]

You really want Jerrah to handle it?

No, I think the consensus is that Jerry hire a real GM and get the Hell out of the way.

I would think that was evident.

 

[Doomsday101]

but no one does it the way we do because the way we do it is moronic

Last few draft have not been bad and yes other team will use more than the GM to make the calls. Jerry is not making the calls alone there are others involved including a big voice in Tom Ciskowski and before him was Ireland who over rode Parcells in selecting Ware over Spears.

Dallas has not stayed with the same philosophy on the draft and Jerry has made changes on how the draft would be conducted since the days of Lacewell.

 

[visionary]

I wouldn't say no one...unless you don't count the Bengals. Good post below about who does what on the various teams.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=255172

OK, so it is the cowboys and the bengals

do you want to throw in the al davis raiders and the little napolean skins just to complete the losers club?

yep, this is the company we want to keep

 

[Doomsday101]

I wouldn't say no one...unless you don't count the Bengals. Good post below about who does what on the various teams.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=255172

Yep this notion some have that 31 teams all do it one way and Dallas is different is BS. A lot of teams have different ways they conduct the draft there is no 1 book on drafting that all teams follow.

 

[jterrell]

His strenght on the business side (assuming you're referring to generating revenue) should be looked at as a major weakness as a GM because it has nothing to with assembling a roster.

In fact, the time he spends trying to get events for Cowboys stadium takes away from his time as a GM. While Jerry's setting up Women's Pro Bowling tournaments I wonder what Atlanta's GM is doing.

Surely not trying to get events at the Georgia Dome because that's what the team owner and/or president is suppose to be doing.

You can make whatever claim you like.

Truth is Jerry's business acumen has helped Dallas secure ridiculous amounts of nationally televised games, our fair share of free agents and keeps us in the news both nationally and locally.

Ask St. Louis, San Diego and Los Angeles if they wouldn't welcome a GM in their city who was a master marketer. No one is discussing moving the Cowboys out of Texas.

Putting together a team that can do the job is what matters. Not titles.

Jerry is very much the GENERAL MANAGER. He is not the player personnel director.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yep this notion some have that 31 teams all do it one way and Dallas is different is BS. A lot of teams have different ways they conduct the draft there is no 1 book on drafting that all teams follow.

I would think when the owner/GM tells the world he has the final say in disputes, that this piece of information overrides all the media types and fans who profess different.

But again the argument continues even after many people who have been on the inside have validated that one aspect.

When it comes to loggerheads Jerry breaks the tie. Jerry makes the decision.

Clear cut, unequivocal, from the horse's mouth, this is how it's done.

Regardless of what other teams do or not. This is how it is done in Dallas.

A man with no experience in talent evaluation makes the call. Al Davis is used to validate an owner can be a talent guy, but most who do this do not offer up Al's resume that has him work his way into the position of being capable.

Bat crap crazy was his downfall. For Jerry hubris and arrogance are what makes him think he understands the league and how to pick talent.

Twenty plus years watching others work in that realm with no accountability makes Jerry a loose cannon.

 

[jterrell]

I would think when the owner/GM tells the world he has the final say in disputes, that this piece of information overrides all the media types and fans who profess different.

But again the argument continues even after many people who have been on the inside have validated that one aspect.

When it comes to loggerheads Jerry breaks the tie. Jerry makes the decision.

Clear cut, unequivocal, from the horse's mouth, this is how it's done.

Regardless of what other teams do or not. This is how it is done in Dallas.

A man with no experience in talent evaluation makes the call. Al Davis is used to validate an owner can be a talent guy, but most who do this do not offer up Al's resume that has him work his way into the position of being capable.

Bat crap crazy was his downfall. For Jerry hubris and arrogance are what makes him think he understands the league and how to pick talent.

Twenty plus years watching others work in that realm with no accountability makes Jerry a loose cannon.

Robert Kraft breaks ties and makes final decisions in New England.

Sucks that he is holding them back with his lack of football acumen.

 

[TwoDeep3]

You can make whatever claim you like.

Truth is Jerry's business acumen has helped Dallas secure ridiculous amounts of nationally televised games, our fair share of free agents and keeps us in the news both nationally and locally.

Ask St. Louis, San Diego and Los Angeles if they wouldn't welcome a GM in their city who was a master marketer. No one is discussing moving the Cowboys out of Texas.

Putting together a team that can do the job is what matters. Not titles.

Jerry is very much the GENERAL MANAGER. He is not the player personnel director.

The bolded underlined aspect of your post speaks directly to soccer moms who don't want to keep score because we want to build self esteem and not have little Timmy feel like a loser when his team gets the snot kicked out of them by a better team.

The object of this league is to win. Painting it in lovely pastels and then denying that goal is wrong.

Being competent in staying in the news is not what the GM duties are.

If you continue to be in contention the last two weeks of the play-off season, that will keep you in the news.

The publicity department has a job to do and that is keeping the team in the news.

Jerry is the GM of the wrong department.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Robert Kraft breaks ties and makes final decisions in New England.

Sucks that he is holding them back with his lack of football acumen.

Robert Craft also gets the Hell out of the way and allows a competent coach to run the football aspect. he also has a GM.

Anecdotal arguments are clever but hardly germane since your position is to just stay in the news.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Moth to flames. :laugh2:

 

[visionary]

Moth to flames. :laugh2:

tavon austin

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

tavon austin

That's love...real love...not hate attracting me. :

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

The GM should control your draft.

We don't have one.

most people don't understand football on here, so they wouldn't know this.

 

[jterrell]

The bolded underlined aspect of your post speaks directly to soccer moms who don't want to keep score because we want to build self esteem and not have little Timmy feel like a loser when his team gets the snot kicked out of them by a better team.

The object of this league is to win. Painting it in lovely pastels and then denying that goal is wrong.

Being competent in staying in the news is not what the GM duties are.

If you continue to be in contention the last two weeks of the play-off season, that will keep you in the news.

The publicity department has a job to do and that is keeping the team in the news.

Jerry is the GM of the wrong department.

Actually nothing you said offers anything of value to the discussion at all.
Jerry is responsible for getting the right people around him and getting the job done.

How he does that matters very little.

If we win then it works. If not it does not. Simple as that.

In the past decade the Cowboys have finished below .500 twice. They have had only 3 double digit win seasons and they have a single playoff win. That's not good enough. But its hardly rare for GM's to have such a record since it is in fact slightly above average by NFL standards. 9 win average.

It is almost comical to watch the completely illogical claim Jerry is the worst
GM in NFL history while he outperforms half the league.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

most people don't understand football on here,

On this part you absolutely 100%

 

[Doomsay]

Moths flames = true

It's also true that some are keeping the Jerry is a competent GM home-fires burning despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Moths flames = true

It's also true that some are keeping the Jerry is a competent GM home-fires burning despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

The flame does not care which moths come to it...I made no distinction of pro vs con.

 

[Doomsay]

The flame does not care which moths come to it...I made no distinction of pro vs con.

True, the flame is indifferent.

 

[CIWhitefish]

OK, so it is the cowboys and the bengals

do you want to throw in the al davis raiders and the little napolean skins just to complete the losers club?

yep, this is the company we want to keep

I didn't say it was a good or bad thing...just pointing out your statement was not accurate. Truth is everyone does it a little different. If you want a true autonomous GM then root for the Ravens. Jerry is not going to change the structure here as long as he owns the team...no matter how much we complain.

 

[birdwells1]

Truth is Jerry's business acumen has helped Dallas secure ridiculous amounts of nationally televised games, our fair share of free agents and keeps us in the news both nationally and locally.

Totally untrue, the Cowboys were America's Team and was a staple on MNF before JJ. The story is told that CBS couldn't figure out who to put as the national game of the week and someone said "when in doubt go with the Cowboys". We haven't gotten any more fa than the next team.

Ask St. Louis, San Diego and Los Angeles if they wouldn't welcome a GM in their city who was a master marketer. No one is discussing moving the Cowboys out of Texas.

This is the job of the team owner/president, the GM couldn't give a hoot about marketing because, on most team, his job depends on wins. By the way you have to tell those cities that this GM's team has won only 1 playoff game in 17 years. They'd probably say something like this "give us a winner and it'll market itself".

Putting together a team that can do the job is what matters. Not titles.

Jerry is very much the GENERAL MANAGER. He is not the player personnel director.

No it's not.