Joe Gibbs - The greatest coach in the history of the NFC East?

[Plankton]

Tom Landry
Joe Gibbs
Bill Parcells
Jimmy Johnson
Tom Coughlin
Andy Reid
Dick Vermeil
Don Coryell

Gibbs was a terrific coach, and an innovator in his own right. I would have a hard time putting many, if anyone, past Landry. Paul Brown may be it as far as an innovator and coach. Lombardi is ahead as far as motivation. Walsh is close.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I sure did. That's what I get for typing it out real fast before really thinking it through.

I agree, between Gibbs and Vermeil would be about right.

I feel had Jimmy and Jerry not had a falling out Jimmy would be second behind Landry. Jimmy built a team that could have possibly won 4 straight

 

[Setackin]

Landry
Gibbs
Vermiel
Jimmy Johnson
Andy Reid
Everyone else.

No Parcells?!?!

 

[CF74]

Blasphemy!!!!

Landry
Jimmy
_____ - who cares.

 

[KJJ]

One can spin it that way if they choose, but isn't this a team game.....Gibbs won a SB with a flash in the pan RB who had a record setting fame too, but that's not the point.
It's a coach having a team, not just a QB.
Ravens won a SB with Dilfer, so you can't say it's just the great coaches won without a great QB.

It's a coach putting together a team winning consistently over a period of years and winning multiple championships that makes them a great coach especially winning championships without ever having a great QB. Landry had Staubach, Lombardi had Starr, Noll had Bradshaw and Shula had Griese and Marino. Gibbs won it all 3 times with 3 average QB's and as you mentioned a flash in the pan RB helped lead him to one of those championships. He won 2 of his championships having to survive a strike shortened season which is another testament to how great a coach he was. Nothing can derail or disrupt a season like a strike causing teams to lose all their best players and having to insert scabs but Gibbs was able to survive 2 strike shortened seasons to win championships. As for the Ravens winning a SB with Dilfer that was all due to them having one of the greatest defenses in NFL history.

You're really missing the point because Brian Billick was not a great NFL coach his teams only reached the playoffs 4 times in his 9 seasons as a head coach. He didn't win consistently with average QB's he got lucky in 2000 due to an all-time great defense. Mike Ditka wasn't a great head coach and won a SB with an average QB but he had arguably the greatest defense ever assembled. To be a "great" coach you have to win consistently over a period of years which is what made Gibbs and Landry great coaches. Gibbs won his first championship in 82 and his last in 91. He led Washington to the playoffs in 10 of his 16 years including twice in 05 and 07 after the game had passed him by.

 

[Setackin]

Landry
Gibbs
Vermiel
Jimmy Johnson
Andy Reid
Everyone else.

Sorry nvm

 

[KJJ]

he kills when a labor dispute is ongoing

not even close to being in Landry's shoes however.

A labor dispute disrupts a season and it takes a great coach to keep things together to stay afloat and Gibbs' team was the last team standing twice when it was all said and done.

 

[KJJ]

I wouldn't put Gibbs ahead of Landry because he was able to win consistently from the mid to late 60's through the 70's and into the early 80's without ever burning out like Gibbs did in the early 90's causing him to suddenly retire after the 92 season. Landry never lost his passion for the game but was so into detail especially with all the shifting on the OL that his teams made a lot of mental mistakes and he needed a "great" QB to win championships. Landry had some very good teams that could never get over the hump until Roger Staubach took over.

 

[BAT]

Just heard this on ESPN radio while sitting at my desk working so I don't have a link.
I'm not even sure who is all on the panel, but they are talking about Chip Kelly being racist and whatnot, when one of them (possibly SAS) says that some in the media are treating him like he is a better coach than Joe Gibbs who is the best coach in the history of the NFC EAST.

Is it possible that this is the consensus. Could he really be regarded as better than Tom Landry?

Just thought I would share, it struck me as funny at first, but then I think he was being serious.

Strange thoughts from a strange dude

Ridiculous. Gibbs is good, but he's not on the level of Landry. Maybe not even Jimmy level.

 

[CyberB0b]

Is it really that outrageous a claim? Gibbs has won 3 SBs. Landry 2. Gibbs winning percentage is .621 (and that includes that stupid comeback in the early 2000s). Landry's is .605.

Landry does have him on NFC titles - he has 5 to Gibb's 4.

Careful, the guy with the Landry tattoo who was born after Landry retired might come looking for you.

 

[BAT]

Landry
Gibbs
Vermiel
Jimmy Johnson
Andy Reid
Everyone else.

Jimmy is 2nd. I would put Parcels over Vermeil. Coughlin too. Vermeil only had ONE superbowl appearance (loss) as a NFCE coach. Reid is not top 5, not when even Switzer has a ring.

 

[mldardy]

Just heard this on ESPN radio while sitting at my desk working so I don't have a link.
I'm not even sure who is all on the panel, but they are talking about Chip Kelly being racist and whatnot, when one of them (possibly SAS) says that some in the media are treating him like he is a better coach than Joe Gibbs who is the best coach in the history of the NFC EAST.

Is it possible that this is the consensus. Could he really be regarded as better than Tom Landry?

Just thought I would share, it struck me as funny at first, but then I think he was being serious.

Strange thoughts from a strange dude

LOL it wasn't Stephen A Smith. Look I can't stand the guy just like most people but every time somebody says something anti-Cowboys which this really wasn't we always blame SAS. It was Peter Rosenberg of New York hip hop station Hot97 who said it. He is co-hosting the Ryan Rusillo show with Rusillo. Rosenberg is a hack so it's not surprising that he gave this opinion without much thought.

 

[KJJ]

Is it really that outrageous a claim? Gibbs has won 3 SBs. Landry 2. Gibbs winning percentage is .621 (and that includes that stupid comeback in the early 2000s). Landry's is .605.

Landry does have him on NFC titles - he has 5 to Gibb's 4.

What plays in Gibbs favor to many is 3 SB wins in 16 years compared to 2 SB wins for Landry in 29 years. Landry should have more NFC titles he had many more opportunities than Gibbs. Landry had already been a head coach for 22 years when Gibbs took over the Commanders in 81. Landry started with an expansion Cowboys team that didn't even have a draft pick their first year in 1960 and built that team from the ground up into a dynasty which is another reason I give Landry the edge. It's debatable between the two but longevity and 20 consecutive winning seasons goes a long way.

 

[Sydla]

Gibbs needed strike seasons to win two of his. So frankly him having three is no big deal.

Kind of absurd to penalize him for that.

 

[Insomniac]

The reason Gibbs is regarded so highly is he won his 3 SB's with 3 average QB's Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams. Most great HOF head coaches had a HOF QB leading them to championships. Landry would have never won a SB had he not had Roger Staubach as his QB. Gibbs and Parcells are 2 of the only great HOF coaches I can think of who won SB's without having a great QB.

Tom Flores won 2 with Jim Plunkett.

 

[KJJ]

Tom Flores won 2 with Jim Plunkett.

Flores won 2 SB's with the same QB who some argue should be in the Hall of Fame. I certainly don't think Plunkett was a Hall of Fame QB but there's been arguments made for him. Gibbs won 3 SB's with 3 average QB's who no one would make an argument should be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[KJJ]

One other point on Jim Plunkett he played exceptionally well in those two SB wins for the Raiders. One of those SB wins was against an excellent high scoring Washington team coached by Gibbs which was the only SB Gibbs lost. The Raiders stomped the Commanders in that game.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

A labor dispute disrupts a season and it takes a great coach to keep things together to stay afloat and Gibbs' team was the last team standing twice when it was all said and done.

so we can just do away with the regular season altogether. allow more people in the playoffs, and the greatest coaches are the last one standing.

I disagree strongly. I find a shortened season and an increase in playoff participants increases the luck factor, not the skill factor

 

[dfan32]

Is it really that outrageous a claim? Gibbs has won 3 SBs. Landry 2. Gibbs winning percentage is .621 (and that includes that stupid comeback in the early 2000s). Landry's is .605.

Landry does have him on NFC titles - he has 5 to Gibb's 4.

Landry had the Cowboy's in the post season for twenty years straight. I think it was twenty...but that is a record I don't believe will ever be duplicated or surpassed. No comparison at all! Gibbs was a great coach but not that great.

 

[burmafrd]

The reason Gibbs is regarded so highly is he won his 3 SB's with 3 average QB's Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams. Most great HOF head coaches had a HOF QB leading them to championships. Landry would have never won a SB had he not had Roger Staubach as his QB. Gibbs and Parcells are 2 of the only great HOF coaches I can think of who won SB's without having a great QB.

and Landry changed the game of football by inventing both the 4-3 D and The Flex D and also had major offensive innovations. What did Gibbs create?