La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

speedkilz88 said:
If I put myself in Collins shoes. I'm not afraid of competition. I'm a first round talent. It's relatively young entrenched starters with large contracts I'm afraid of because those guys are locked in. So a Doug Free (older and bad ankle) and Leary (knee issues cheap 1 yr contracts the next two years) are more the competition I would expect to face. I also would want to live in a preferable area I am accustomed to. In Collins case he is from Baton Rouge so he stayed home to go to college rather than go out of state. So he may want to stay close to home. It would be awesome if he happened to be a Cowboys fan.
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no, this is a cowboys fan talking not at athlete, much less one with an agent.

leary has a lot of starting experience and la'el collins doesn't even play the position.
he isn't going to jump on some offer to possible compete at a position he doesn't play.

there are a number of teams with soft RT's he could battle with and beat out.

dallas has young, valued guys in place up and down the OL and the team's OL leader is the RT who was just re-signed with a top 8 RT yearly salary because of intangible Collins couldn't possibly bring in the first few years.

beyond all that even if Collins did come here and earn a starting gig he just gets in line behind Frederick and Martin to earn a 2nd contract.

again this is really goofy thinking with zero true logic behind it.
 
xwalker said:
I think the total udfa pool for bonus money is 80K. Even if the Cowboys have spent 40K, is he going to make his decision based on a 1 time payment of 40K?

He is going to assume that he will beat out a 3rd round pick, so Green really does not factor into the decision. The fact that Dallas used a 3rd on an OT shows that they are probably looking to replace Free in the near future.

Yes, a team with nothing at OT probably seems more appealing; although, those are probably the bad teams. Who really wants to go to a bad team? A guy that was projected as a possible top 10 pick probably believes that he will win a job over any non Pro Bowl veteran.

The Saints drafted an OT at #13 overall and have a young LT, so that's probably not the best situation. They might have had their guy at #13 ranked higher than Collins.

There are probably teams that on paper would be an easier sell than the Cowboys, but Jerry in known to be a terrific salesman. Wasn't it McClain that told the story about how impressed he was when Jerry called him to come out of retirement last year?
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The fact that he has met with the Bills and is on his way to meet with the Dolphins, but hasn't come here is disappointing to hear. I feel like our front office is way too slow on things like this.

It players only went to the best teams, free agency would be very different. The Cowboys need to get this done. This will set us up for a long time. If we get Collins, I think we can afford to trade for Peterson. Behind that line... Oh my god... We can continue to focus on defense again next year with the remaining picks, or we can mix it up based on BPA.
RT is our biggest need on offense to fill it so easily... I'll be pretty mad if we don't get this guy.
 
Risen Star said:
This just in, La'el Collins is ducking Ronald Leary and Doug Free. He wants no part of that competition.
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It's not ducking. There are 32 teams in the NFL. It simply makes sense to go to a place where you will definitely start and no politics or loyalties can get in the way of you making your presence known as a starter.

Personally I think the Cowboys are a great fit, and I think he should come here, but I can't forget that I am very biased in that regard.
 
jterrell said:
no, this is a cowboys fan talking not at athlete, much less one with an agent.

leary has a lot of starting experience and la'el collins doesn't even play the position.
he isn't going to jump on some offer to possible compete at a position he doesn't play.

there are a number of teams with soft RT's he could battle with and beat out.

dallas has young, valued guys in place up and down the OL and the team's OL leader is the RT who was just re-signed with a top 8 RT yearly salary because of intangible Collins couldn't possibly bring in the first few years.

beyond all that even if Collins did come here and earn a starting gig he just gets in line behind Frederick and Martin to earn a 2nd contract.

again this is really goofy thinking with zero true logic behind it.
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He's a G/RT prospect just like Zack Martin was last year.
 
Galian Beast said:
The fact that he has met with the Bills and is on his way to meet with the Dolphins, but hasn't come here is disappointing to hear. I feel like our front office is way too slow on things like this.

It players only went to the best teams, free agency would be very different. The Cowboys need to get this done. This will set us up for a long time. If we get Collins, I think we can afford to trade for Peterson. Behind that line... Oh my god... We can continue to focus on defense again next year with the remaining picks, or we can mix it up based on BPA.
RT is our biggest need on offense to fill it so easily... I'll be pretty mad if we don't get this guy.
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Yes, I would not like it if the Cowboys didn't at least meet with him. I just can't imagine how he would be worried about competing with Doug Free. I would think that if he comes to Dallas that the experience would be somewhat overwhelming for a college player.

I guess the issue we're not considering in these discussions is what if he was actually involved in the murder? It seems unlikely, but I don't really know the accuracy of the details provided by the media.
 
xwalker said:
I think the total udfa pool for bonus money is 80K. Even if the Cowboys have spent 40K, is he going to make his decision based on a 1 time payment of 40K?

He is going to assume that he will beat out a 3rd round pick, so Green really does not factor into the decision. The fact that Dallas used a 3rd on an OT shows that they are probably looking to replace Free in the near future.

Yes, a team with nothing at OT probably seems more appealing; although, those are probably the bad teams. Who really wants to go to a bad team? A guy that was projected as a possible top 10 pick probably believes that he will win a job over any non Pro Bowl veteran.

The Saints drafted an OT at #13 overall and have a young LT, so that's probably not the best situation. They might have had their guy at #13 ranked higher than Collins.

There are probably teams that on paper would be an easier sell than the Cowboys, but Jerry in known to be a terrific salesman. Wasn't it McClain that told the story about how impressed he was when Jerry called him to come out of retirement last year?
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dude, yes, 40k makes a difference.
the guy was working for free tuition and endless buffets last year. that's twice the money in up front bonus.

80k right now versus 40k is insanely different. the only thing overriding it would be guaranteed money.

he isn't going to ignore chaz green. both were top OL in the same high school class and in the SEC together. he might be very unafraid of him but he knows him and recognizes him.

no one suggested he'd go to new orleans. but there are plenty of spots he could go including to buffalo where he probably walks in as RT starter for a new coach (who flew to new orleans to meet with him) with no loyalties to the old line up and gets 80k and gets his deal guaranteed.
 
xwalker said:
Yes, I would not like it if the Cowboys didn't at least meet with him. I just can't imagine how he would be worried about competing with Doug Free. I would think that if he comes to Dallas that the experience would be somewhat overwhelming for a college player.

I guess the issue we're not considering in these discussions is what if he was actually involved in the murder? It seems unlikely, but I don't really know the accuracy of the details provided by the media.
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It's not about worrying, it's about logic. You take the path of least resistance.

If he was involved, you cut him plain and simple. I tell him we would guarantee his entire contract and show him how he would fit in here. Worst case scenario we take the cap hit on the guarantee, best case we add another pro bowl caliber player to this line at no cost in draft picks... It's a low risk high reward situation.
 
xwalker said:
Yes, I would not like it if the Cowboys didn't at least meet with him. I just can't imagine how he would be worried about competing with Doug Free. I would think that if he comes to Dallas that the experience would be somewhat overwhelming for a college player.

I guess the issue we're not considering in these discussions is what if he was actually involved in the murder? It seems unlikely, but I don't really know the accuracy of the details provided by the media.
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It's useless to speculate on the murder. There isn't even info or accusations out from the family. If he's involved he never gets to the contract signing and gets locked up.
 
speedkilz88 said:
It's useless to speculate on the murder. There isn't even info or accusations out from the family. If he's involved he never gets to the contract signing and gets locked up.
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I wouldn't wait for that. I sign him today, and guarantee his contract today. If he gets charged, you cut him when it comes to that. He may not be cleared for months if not longer.
 
I think one thing that could possible help is the fact that Jerry has a really good relationship with Les Miles. In a situation like this, Miles might have a unique position that would allow him to suggest options which might be more favorable. Now, there is no guarantee that he does have any voice in this and if he did, still no guarantee that he would vote for the Cowboys but I suspect he might speak favorably towards us if asked.
 
Galian Beast said:
It's not about worrying, it's about logic. You take the path of least resistance.

If he was involved, you cut him plain and simple. I tell him we would guarantee his entire contract and show him how he would fit in here. Worst case scenario we take the cap hit on the guarantee, best case we add another pro bowl caliber player to this line at no cost in draft picks... It's a low risk high reward situation.
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So you're saying to give him the guaranteed contract now, before he is cleared? I wondered if being willing to do that now would be an incentive; however, if he knows he is innocent, then it probably does not matter to him if he signs now or waits a couple of weeks to see if they clear his name before he signs.
 
We should stress how much he will make in playoff money with Cowboys.

Does guaranteed money have to be paid if the player is in prison?
 
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xwalker said:
So you're saying to give him the guaranteed contract now, before he is cleared? I wondered if being willing to do that now would be an incentive; however, if he knows he is innocent, then it probably does not matter to him if he signs now or waits a couple of weeks to see if they clear his name before he signs.
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Exactly. If he knows he's innocent then it won't make any difference but, if he accepts it then what does that mean for us?


LOL..........
 
speedkilz88 said:
It's useless to speculate on the murder. There isn't even info or accusations out from the family. If he's involved he never gets to the contract signing and gets locked up.
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sigh... that's not true.

he signs and gets his 80k., the rest he won't see if something crazy happens but that bonus money is a day 1 deal.

he isn't a draftee who signs later. he agrees. signs and picks up his bonus check. if he needs a criminal lawyer that money goes straight there.

he will remain available for police but it looks very much as if he is not anywhere near being a suspect. and teams are obviously thinking the same thing as they all reach out to him to determine what he wants.

any athlete in his position would consider money, starting spot and total guarantee as the main factors.
location and team preference may well matter but very likely little in the face of money and playing time.
 
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