La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[Galian Beast]

So you're saying to give him the guaranteed contract now, before he is cleared? I wondered if being willing to do that now would be an incentive; however, if he knows he is innocent, then it probably does not matter to him if he signs now or waits a couple of weeks to see if they clear his name before he signs.

Making him that guarantee offer now separates up from other teams and let's him to the chapter now as opposed to waiting and potentially missing parts of training camp. I don't think it will be a couple weeks for the police to clear him. It may be the case that they won't clear anyone until they have a suspect or someone in custody.

 

[MagicMan]

I thought he wanted to go to a contender......which means you already have some good linemen up front. I don't think he's afraid of competing for a spot. He just wants to land with a team where he can contribute in his first year and make himself look like a Pro Bowler-------working for that big contract he missed out on.

The Bills and Dolphins just happen to be the first ones contacting his agent. Dallas better not be sitting this one out. They got as good a chance as anyone, but you can't win if you don't enter.

 

[xwalker]

It's useless to speculate on the murder. There isn't even info or accusations out from the family. If he's involved he never gets to the contract signing and gets locked up.

I guess one issue would be if the authorities think he was involved but can't prove it. Then the team that signs him has that PR issue hanging over their head. I've seen a lot of stories of people whose lives have basically been ruined just by being a lead suspect in an unsolved murder.

GB might have a point that the team that is willing to give him a guaranteed contract immediately might have an advantage. It could take a long time before the authorities come out and say that he has been completely cleared.

 

[TrailBlazer]

It's not ducking. There are 32 teams in the NFL. It simply makes sense to go to a place where you will definitely start and no politics or loyalties can get in the way of you making your presence known as a starter.

Personally I think the Cowboys are a great fit, and I think he should come here, but I can't forget that I am very biased in that regard.

Since the money is pretty much the same. He's going to find a city he likes, a good team that he can come in and start. If dallas wanted him, they should've drafted him. Can't believe not one team pulled the trigger on this guy. No charges whatsoever. No evidence of wrongdoing. What are these GM'S thinking sometimes?

 

[xwalker]

Exactly. If he knows he's innocent then it won't make any difference but, if he accepts it then what does that mean for us?


LOL..........

GB might have a point in that it could take a long time before he is officially cleared. If it takes a month, then he would probably like to sign before then.

 

[Galian Beast]

Since the money is pretty much the same. He's going to find a city he likes, a good team that he can come in and start. If dallas wanted him, they should've drafted him. Can't believe not one team pulled the trigger on this guy. No charges whatsoever. No evidence of wrongdoing.

Again, he said if he went after the 3rd round he wasn't going to play for the team that drafted him and he was going to sit out and enter the next draft.

Drafting him after the 3rd round would have been a waste of a draft pick. Drafting him before that would have risked potentially wasting a high draft pick on a player who could be unavailable.

 

[jterrell]

He's a G/RT prospect just like Zack Martin was last year.

And Zach Martin is arguably ALREADY the best guard in football and would get paid before Collins ever did... while plenty of teams have few if any highly ranked young OL to consider going forward.

Dallas already has Smith, Martin and Frederick to fit under the cap and just the time Collins would want to get paid. Even if Collins is really good, he'd be locked in cheap here for 3 years with little to no leverage. We'd probably tender him as a round 1 in year 4. Agents see how Dallas has moved to a fiscally conservative model.

BTW, these notes are simple logic. Feel free to share them since they are so elusive in this thread.

Dallas is one of the least likely teams for Collins to seriously consider.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

GB might have a point in that it could take a long time before he is officially cleared. If it takes a month, then he would probably like to sign before then.

It's true. That could be a factor but I don't get the feel that his agent would go for that. If they are willing to wait a year and re-enter the draft, then they would probably wait a few months in favor of the best deal. I could be wrong but I get that vibe. Unless there is a pressing need for money immediately, I don't think they will jump on anything. Even if there is a pressing need, it's likely the agent will front him and get paid back with interest.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the total udfa pool for bonus money is 80K. Even if the Cowboys have spent 40K, is he going to make his decision based on a 1 time payment of 40K?

He is going to assume that he will beat out a 3rd round pick, so Green really does not factor into the decision. The fact that Dallas used a 3rd on an OT shows that they are probably looking to replace Free in the near future.

Yes, a team with nothing at OT probably seems more appealing; although, those are probably the bad teams. Who really wants to go to a bad team? A guy that was projected as a possible top 10 pick probably believes that he will win a job over any non Pro Bowl veteran.

The Saints drafted an OT at #13 overall and have a young LT, so that's probably not the best situation. They might have had their guy at #13 ranked higher than Collins.

There are probably teams that on paper would be an easier sell than the Cowboys, but Jerry in known to be a terrific salesman. Wasn't it McClain that told the story about how impressed he was when Jerry called him to come out of retirement last year?

 

[ragman]

Please forgive me if I post something that's already been mentioned. I haven't read all of the posts.

1. Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas said this morning that the newspapers in Louisiana have stopped calling the dead woman a girlfriend and are now calling her an associate. Wonder what that's all about.

2. Fisher also said this morning that Collins is supposed to have a paternity test today to see if Collins is the father of the dead unborn baby.

3. Why would Collins want to come to Dallas? Wouldn't he want to have playing time? Hard to get it with Pro Bowl players already here.

 

[xwalker]

It's true. That could be a factor but I don't get the feel that his agent would go for that. If they are willing to wait a year and re-enter the draft, then they would probably wait a few months in favor of the best deal. I could be wrong but I get that vibe. Unless there is a pressing need for money immediately, I don't think they will jump on anything. Even if there is a pressing need, it's likely the agent will front him and get paid back with interest.

There will likely be a team that is willing to give him a max deal now (max within the confines of the udfa limits). If that happens there is no benefit to waiting. There is some risk which would likely take some team out of the mix.

 

[Stash]

And Zach Martin is arguably ALREADY the best guard in football and would get paid before Collins ever did... while plenty of teams have few if any highly ranked young OL to consider going forward.

Dallas already has Smith, Martin and Frederick to fit under the cap and just the time Collins would want to get paid. Even if Collins is really good, he'd be locked in cheap here for 3 years with little to no leverage. We'd probably tender him as a round 1 in year 4. Agents see how Dallas has moved to a fiscally conservative model.

So what? You think any team that signs him wouldn't exercise the same option if they had it? Nobody's going to pay him more than they have to, before they have to, no matter how well he's played.

BTW, these notes are simple logic. Feel free to share them since they are so elusive in this thread.

You keep telling yourself that, maybe somebody will eventually believe it?

Dallas is one of the least likely teams for Collins to seriously consider.

Dallas is as good of an option as he'll ever find. But you just continue to gloss over any and all factors in their favor and then try to sell it as 'logic'...



Too bad for you, nobody's buying what you're trying to sell.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There will likely be a team that is willing to give him a max deal now (max within the confines of the udfa limits). If that happens there is no benefit to waiting. There is some risk which would likely take some team out of the mix.

I agree, if that team is out there, then there is no benefit to waiting because there is no reason to wait. The only reason you would wait is if no team emerged with a max deal.

I also don't buy into the whole 80K is more attactive then 40K idea. Of course you would want the most money but 40K short term would not prevent Collins and his agent from signing less if the entire package were better. Once this guy gets into the NFL, he can easily get money advanced to him on the promise of more. 40K is chump change. I think that's not even an issue. I think long term benefits, where he can make the most money, what position he can ideally play that will allow for greater future earnings and how quickly he can start are the things that will be more important to Collins. JMO.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Again, he said if he went after the 3rd round he wasn't going to play for the team that drafted him and he was going to sit out and enter the next draft.

Drafting him after the 3rd round would have been a waste of a draft pick. Drafting him before that would have risked potentially wasting a high draft pick on a player who could be unavailable.

Worth a shot late in the draft. Collins is really going to turn down money for a year? When he can come and potentially start for a superbowl contender? In a city close to home? Offer some imcemtives. That tackle we took in the 7th probably won't make the team anyway. In the 7th there really is no risk.

 

[Stash]

Please forgive me if I post something that's already been mentioned. I haven't read all of the posts.

1. Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas said this morning that the newspapers in Louisiana have stopped calling the dead woman a girlfriend and are now calling her an associate. Wonder what that's all about.

2. Fisher also said this morning that Collins is supposed to have a paternity test today to see if Collins is the father of the dead unborn baby.

3. Why would Collins want to come to Dallas? Wouldn't he want to have playing time? Hard to get it with Pro Bowl players already here.

Thanks for the recap.

Is #3 your point, or Fisher's?

Whoever it is, it sounds off base to me. Left Guard and Right Tackle aren't Pro Bowl positions and Collins could upgrade either one. Collins would have a great chance of beating out either Leary at LG or Free at RT. He could likely replace Leary today in fact.

And I think it's apparent with offensive lines that accolades and awards come in bunches when they do. When the line played well, there was credit to go around, all around. Much like during the '90's, when the team was winning, and the line was good, plenty of candidates made Pro Bowl appearances.

How many better situations to step into than having a Pro Bowl left tackle on your left and a Pro Bowl center on your right?

Or playing right tackle with a rookie Pro Bowler playing next to you?

 

[speedkilz88]

Please forgive me if I post something that's already been mentioned. I haven't read all of the posts.

1. Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas said this morning that the newspapers in Louisiana have stopped calling the dead woman a girlfriend and are now calling her an associate. Wonder what that's all about.

2. Fisher also said this morning that Collins is supposed to have a paternity test today to see if Collins is the father of the dead unborn baby.

3. Why would Collins want to come to Dallas? Wouldn't he want to have playing time? Hard to get it with Pro Bowl players already here.

Free and Leary are not pro bowlers.

 

[Galian Beast]

Worth a shot late in the draft. Collins is really going to turn down money for a year? When he can come and potentially start for a superbowl contender? In a city close to home? Offer some imcemtives. That tackle we took in the 7th probably won't make the team anyway. In the 7th there really is no risk.

A year later, cleared, he would be a 1st or 2nd round draft pick and make considerably more than what he would as a 7th rounder.

Again, if you can't understand that concept, you're going to struggle to pick this up.

 

[lostar2009]

They say Bills and Cowboys are showing interest.

 

[speedkilz88]

I agree, if that team is out there, then there is no benefit to waiting because there is no reason to wait. The only reason you would wait is if no team emerged with a max deal.

I also don't buy into the whole 80K is more attactive then 40K idea. Of course you would want the most money but 40K short term would not prevent Collins and his agent from signing less if the entire package were better. Once this guy gets into the NFL, he can easily get money advanced to him on the promise of more. 40K is chump change. I think that's not even an issue. I think long term benefits, where he can make the most money, what position he can ideally play that will allow for greater future earnings and how quickly he can start are the things that will be more important to Collins. JMO.

Whoever signs him will need to guarantee the whole contract I would imagine. That would be crazy to do right now. They need to see this play through a little while longer imo.

 

[Galian Beast]

It's true. That could be a factor but I don't get the feel that his agent would go for that. If they are willing to wait a year and re-enter the draft, then they would probably wait a few months in favor of the best deal. I could be wrong but I get that vibe. Unless there is a pressing need for money immediately, I don't think they will jump on anything. Even if there is a pressing need, it's likely the agent will front him and get paid back with interest.

All the deals are likely to be the same, the only difference would be

a) probability of starting

and

b) timing of the deal

We're not doing great on A, but we have control over B.