La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[DBOY3141]

Yeah, me and at least one other guy have asked him to help recruit La'el to join the Cowboys. But I haven't seen him comment anything.

Good deal. Would be heck of a coup if he joined the Cowboys.

 

[jterrell]

No he wouldn't. You have no idea what you are talking about. You cant look at one year and say "look X+Y=Z, so it's a sweetener!" Look at Doug Free's deal. 3 years 15,000,000. 4,500,000 signing bonus prorated over 3 years.

His base salary is as follows:
2015: 1,500,000.
2016: $4,000,000.
2017: $5,000,000

$5,000,000+$4,000,000+$1,500,000=$11,500,000 guess what? add his signing bonus to that ($11,500,00+$4,500,000) and you get his total deal of $15,000,000.


...Math.

good lord....
are you really that dumb?

this is very, very simple.

every cowboys player is charged the minimum salary for the season.
they can not go below that if they play the first 3/4 games.

anything they get paid as bonus is IN ADDITION to the minimum salaries.

that is why those rookie players are charged the minimum PLUS THE DIVIDED BONUS MONEY.

 

[Galian Beast]

no, i am not.
signing bonuses have ZERO to do with base salaries.

anyone with a brain can figure that out.
especially when given a link to the proof.

Total salary is a function of base salaries + bonuses.

The total salary he can earn is ~1.5 million

If part of his base salary goes to signing bonus, it's fine, but it is still a part of the total salary limitations.

 

[Stash]

It might be a better move to play guard at a high level with an elite unit and have a team that projects you as a tackle give you a huge deal. As opposed to going to a team and struggling at tackle early on with a lesser unit exposing any holes your game may have.

I haven't looked at a list recently, but last I did, Titans' left guard Andy Levitre was among the top 10 highest paid offensive linemen in the entire league. And guys like Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson did quite well for themselves too.

Something to be said for being a great LG or RT over a mediocre or struggling LT.

 

[RastaRocket]

He is not eligible to re-enter the draft.

Correct, but if he was drafted in a later round (where he would get less money), he would have sat out and re-entered the draft.

 

[Zordon]

that miami lifestyle is going to be tough to turn down. i hope he realizes he'll be playing in front of a half empty stadium every sunday.

 

[myslamsareolder]

no, i am not.
signing bonuses have ZERO to do with base salaries.

anyone with a brain can figure that out.
especially when given a link to the proof.

I take back what I said actually. It seems that the confusion starts with the "minimum" for UDFAs is only dealing with base salary... I guess I don't know what I am talking about... :/

 

[tideh20heel]

that miami lifestyle is going to be tough to turn down. i hope he realizes he'll be playing in front of a half empty stadium every sunday.

I was thinking the same thing

 

[Galian Beast]

I take back what I said actually. It seems that the confusion starts with the "minimum" for UDFAs is only dealing with base salary... I guess I don't know what I am talking about... :/

The rookie minimum isn't relative to this situation.

 

[RastaRocket]

That's not my point. My point is that if he was willing to sit, he wasn't desperate for money today. Meaning he is now not desperate for money today where he would decide where he signs based on it either.

Sure he is. He wants as much money as he can get which is why he would have re-entered the draft if he was going to get a late round pay check. Now he will negotiate for as much as he can.

 

[myslamsareolder]

Total salary is a function of base salaries + bonuses.

The total salary he can earn is ~1.5 million

If part of his base salary goes to signing bonus, it's fine, but it is still a part of the total salary limitations.

the 1.57M cap is only to base salary not total deal, so it is separate. At least from what I am reading

 

[jterrell]

Total salary is a function of base salaries + bonuses.

The total salary he can earn is ~1.5 million

If part of his base salary goes to signing bonus, it's fine, but it is still a part of the total salary limitations.

again, that is not true.
his SALARY is his yearly totals and he can not be given any incentives. his base of 1.5 over 3 years is set AND CAN NOT BE LOWERED or paid in any way other than via 17 paychecks per season.

he can be given a signing bonus of up to 88k. --each team has a pool of 88k total for all undrafted rookies.

salary is yearly pay, signing bonus money is part of total compensation and cap hit.

i have shown you actual examples on the team of how this counts versus the cap.
pay attention or remain stupid, your choice.

 

[Stash]

Sure he is. He wants as much money as he can get. Which is why he would have re-entered the draft if he was going to get a late round pay check. Now he will negotiate for as much as he can.

Which I have pointed out numerous times is a fixed amount for all undrafted free agents. His pay cannot exceed $1.575 million. Here, there, or anywhere.

 

[jterrell]

I take back what I said actually. It seems that the confusion starts with the "minimum" for UDFAs is only dealing with base salary... I guess I don't know what I am talking about... :/

we all get confused at times.
being open minded enough to read up and change your mind makes you rare here.


we all want to sign the guy.
i just try to be honest with myself about the chances.

i'm half convinced to guy buy his jersey as it is....

 

[Idgit]

A good RT makes more than an average LT on that second contract. He ought to be focussed on where he's most likely to have the most success on the field coming out of that rookie deal. Bonus pay is a big deal, but it doesn't trump the resume of a talented young player with playoff or Superbowl experience whose the best player in FA at his position.

If he's built for RT, that's where I'd stay if I were him. In the right spot, his next contract should be huge.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

again, that is not true.
his SALARY is his yearly totals and he can not be given any incentives. his base of 1.5 over 3 years is set AND CAN NOT BE LOWERED or paid in any way other than via 17 paychecks per season.

he can be given a signing bonus of up to 88k. --each team has a pool of 88k total for all undrafted rookies.

salary is yearly pay, signing bonus money is part of total compensation and cap hit.

i have shown you actual examples on the team of how this counts versus the cap.
pay attention or remain stupid, your choice.

No question about it JT, it's really tough to be a penguinite.

;-)

 

[speedkilz88]

A good RT makes more than an average LT on that second contract. He ought to be focussed on where he's most likely to have the most success on the field coming out of that rookie deal. Bonus pay is a big deal, but it doesn't trump the resume of a talented young player with playoff or Superbowl experience whose the best player in FA at his position.

If he's built for RT, that's where I'd stay if I were him. In the right spot, his next contract should be huge.

Even guard that can be true. I think Zack Martin will make more at RG than he ever would at RT.

 

[jterrell]

Which I have pointed out numerous times is a fixed amount for all undrafted free agents. His pay cannot exceed $1.575 million. Here, there, or anywhere.

please stop posting inaccurate things.

Every undrafted rookie is locked into signing a three year contract. The three year contract will contain the minimum Paragraph 5 salary in each year, which will equal payouts of $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017. These are the same numbers as rookies drafted after the 3rd round and many of the players drafted in the third round, so it is not a major loss for Collins of any player who was not projected to be a 2nd round pick.

The UDFA’s are very limited in terms of signing bonus money. I don’t have the final number in front of me but IIRC each team can spend, in total, about $88,000 on all their undrafted rookies. That usually means a large number of players receiving signing bonuses that will not exceed $8,000. So that is a limiting factor for a player who is not drafted. The smallest signing bonus a 7th round pick will receive likely to be about $52,000. So that is a pretty big loss considering for many players the bonus is the only salary they will ever receive.

 

[Stash]

please stop posting inaccurate things.

Every undrafted rookie is locked into signing a three year contract. The three year contract will contain the minimum Paragraph 5 salary in each year, which will equal payouts of $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017. These are the same numbers as rookies drafted after the 3rd round and many of the players drafted in the third round, so it is not a major loss for Collins of any player who was not projected to be a 2nd round pick.

The UDFA’s are very limited in terms of signing bonus money. I don’t have the final number in front of me but IIRC each team can spend, in total, about $88,000 on all their undrafted rookies. That usually means a large number of players receiving signing bonuses that will not exceed $8,000. So that is a limiting factor for a player who is not drafted. The smallest signing bonus a 7th round pick will receive likely to be about $52,000. So that is a pretty big loss considering for many players the bonus is the only salary they will ever receive.

Show me where that says the signing bonus is in addition to, and not part of the total.

Then you might be able to maintain your sanctimonious attitude.

But until someone I trust on cap issues chimes in, yours is just another opinion.

 

[MRV52]

Who cares Jerry can give the kid a birthday or christmas present on the side as a friend. Nfl can't do anything about that.