Lance still working on his game

[DuncanIso]

yeah. isn't it

when he wasn't injured. he didn't show much. he struggled a lot on a very good team, with a lot of weapons
in college he was average too. 174 passing yards per game.
he is a small school guy. obviously not ready for NFL.

Watch his game film. It’s on YouTube.

 

[Jake]

Let's not ruin all the progress by throwing him out there too early.

Let's take a look next preseason and then put him back on the shelf. That fruit doesn't ripen until 2025.

The greatest enemy of player development is impatience.

He'll be a free agent after 2024.

 

[Jake]

I wish the real Trey Lance was as good as the imaginary one some are talking about. He played 8 games for Niners and wasn't good in any of them. He barely completed 50% of his passes in an offense where Purdy is at 70%.

San Fran traded a bunch of picks for him and after two years gave up on him for a 4th. Thinking he's easily the next Cowboys QB is like buying a powerball ticket and expecting, not just hoping, that you're going to win it.

 

[JoeKing]

If he was worthy of his draft selection he should have been ready by at least year two. The QBs that are drafted high that end up being franchise QBs start showing it early on when given their opportunity. CJ Stroud is a perfect example. Dak was outstanding his rookie year and he was a 4th round pick.

Not all QBs mature at the same rate.

 

[JoeKing]

Already in his 3rd.

Two with the Niners.

Yeah, but when you change teams and systems midseason you lose a year.

 

[KJJ]

Not all QBs mature at the same rate.

If the 49ers thought all he needed was to mature as a QB they would have kept him.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Throw him out there too early? This his 3rd season. He won’t be playing anyway this season, he’s not the backup. The only way he’ll have any chance of developing is by playing. The longer he’s on the sidelines, the less likely he’ll become a solid NFL QB. If he doesn’t get on the field until 2025 he’ll be stale. The Cowboys may look to trade him by then, because he’s not going to be happy as a backup. He wants another opportunity to be a starter and that won’t likely happen with the Cowboys.

Players do develop in practice. Not as well if they're not getting the starter snaps, but they do progress.

 

[JoeKing]

If the 49ers thought all he needed was to mature as a QB they would have kept him. They obviously didn’t think he could play.

It's not that obvious. They just couldn't ignore the outstanding play of Purdy.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I wish the real Trey Lance was as good as the imaginary one some are talking about. He played 8 games for Niners and wasn't good in any of them. He barely completed 50% of his passes in an offense where Purdy is at 70%.

San Fran traded a bunch of picks for him and after two years gave up on him for a 4th. Thinking he's easily the next Cowboys QB is like buying a powerball ticket and expecting, not just hoping, that you're going to win it.

Trey Lance only played 4 games where he got double digit attempts.

His QB rating was 110+ in two and 50+ in two. His YPA for the wins was 10+. He also ran a lot and got significant yardage.

He has played very well and very poorly.

Maybe they can train him up. But even as is, I'll take 50% chance of good starter play out of a backup.

Running QBs are ideal as backups, IMO. A running QB is a significant add to the offense. The downside is long term injury risk. But I'll take the add for higher production out of the backup and not care about long term injury risk for a backup.

It's 50-50 whether the poor games or the good games were the aberration, and those odds should only improve as he gets more experience. I'm not penciling Lance in becoming a good starter, but there's a good chance he'll get there someday, particularly if he can stick with a team for a few years. Sticking with the team for years is how Cooper became a competent backup, IMO. It wasn't arm talent or foot speed.

Back to Lance, he's a decent backup already based on his record, and has upside to a starter.

Signing Lance was a very good risk/reward move by our GM.

 

[guag]

Would love to see him come up behind Dak and take over one day

This is a family forum.

 

[KingCorcoran]

This is a family forum.

How long do you think he’s willing to wait for a chance to be a starter, understanding he doesn’t have a shot at the big money until he is?

 

[KJJ]

It's not that obvious. They just couldn't ignore the outstanding play of Purdy.

They still could have hung on to Lance in case Purdy was just a flash in the pan. The fact they traded him for only a 4th round pick after giving up the farm for him shows how little they thought his chances of developing into a solid starting QB were.

 

[KJJ]

Players do develop in practice. Not as well if they're not getting the starter snaps, but they do progress.

They develop in practice but they still need to face a pass rush in game situations.

 

[Streifenkarl]

San Fran traded a bunch of picks for him and after two years gave up on him for a 4th. Thinking he's easily the next Cowboys QB is like buying a powerball ticket and expecting, not just hoping, that you're going to win it.

This must not be ignored at any time. Yes people can progress faster seemingly out of nowhere in different environments and with different people around them, just because they feel better, find a different approach or whatever.

But this is all wishful thinking at the moment. The facts are in the quote above. That's the plain and simple truth.

With that being said, it's still worth a try if we get kicked out of the play offs early once again. I just don't want any more of the same. So for me this is the year where Dak, yes he himself personally whatever, has to get it done. If he can lead this team closer to the goal or not. Don't care about the o line, coaches, weather, refs whatever. Can he do it or not? If yes, awesome, I'll go with him as our QB1 for a couple of more years.

If not then I want him gone. Even if that meant a couple of less regular season wins at first. I'd take a couple of honest below 500 seasons over these fraud 12-4 years if it meant we're in a true rebuilding phase.

 

[EST_1986]

There’s a big difference between Romo and Lance. Romo was undrafted and played at a division 1-AA school. He was going to need a lot more time to develop than a QB that was the 3rd overall pick. He was a project. Lance was brought along slow in SF. Jimmy G started during Lance’s rookie year. He wasn’t given the job until his second year. He’s been through 3 training camps and most QBs that end up being worth a darn are ready to play by now, which is why SF moved on from him. He couldn’t even win the backup job. If he’s going to get better he needs game reps.

Lance played like 16 quarters of college ball it’s not his fault the 49ers reached for him he was probably less prepared than Romo at the same stage.

 

[JoeKing]

They still could have hung on to Lance in case Purdy was just a flash in the pan. The fact they traded him for only a 4th round pick after giving up the farm for him shows how little they thought his chances of developing into a solid starting QB were.

At the time of the trade, Purdy's backup was Sam Darnold, not Trey Lance so even if Purdy was a flash in the pan, Lance would not have been the next in line. So that debunks your comment. The 49ers realized they were never going to get their investment back for Lance so they took what the Cowboys offered. That doesn't mean they thought any less of Lance, it's just the price of doing business. Lance is still able to develop into a starting QB. Go ahead with your assumptions but they are wrong.

 

[JoeKing]

If the 49ers thought all he needed was to mature as a QB they would have kept him.

Not when he was third in line. You have your facts wrong, buddy.

 

[buybuydandavis]

They develop in practice but they still need to face a pass rush in game situations.

Lots of things they need to face on the field.

But there are a great many things they can make progress on on their own and in the offseason so that they are better prepared to learn from live reps.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Lance played like 16 quarters of college ball it’s not his fault the 49ers reached for him he was probably less prepared than Romo at the same stage.

16 games as the starter in college and 3 years of practice time.

Not nothing, but a lot less than most QBs coming out of college into the draft.

Can't complain about his business sense. Got the 3rd pick in the draft. But for his injuries and the fluke of Purdy, he'd still be the QB in SF.

 

[DuncanIso]

They still could have hung on to Lance in case Purdy was just a flash in the pan. The fact they traded him for only a 4th round pick after giving up the farm for him shows how little they thought his chances of developing into a solid starting QB were.

He broke his ankle and his hand.

Their bad luck. Our gain.