Landry and Jimmy would have cut TO!!

[WV Cowboy]

I hope your right I want to see the big plays and I want to see him stop dropping balls. I expect that out of less seasoned WR I don't expect that out of a so called star WR. Up to this point I'm not overly impressed and he negitive attention is not worth what I'm seeing on the field. Now if TO can shut his mouth and just do his job I'll be more than happy

I disagree, ... I don't think you will ever be "more than happy" with him on the team, I really don't.

Unless he somehow becomes perfect. That is the only way I see this changing.

It's not just you, ... it seems that no matter what he does or doesn't do, someone finds fault.

I am so thankful that I don't have everyone watching my every word, deed, and action where-ever I go.

He has not done anything since he came to Dallas that has not happened to someone else before.

He has not done anything that he was accused of while in Philly and SF.

If he ever does something such as that, against the Cowboys, I will be on your side.

So far I haven't seen it, ... though he is not perfect, but who is ? OTJ

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I disagree, ... I don't think you will ever be "more than happy" with him on the team, I really don't.

Unless he somehow becomes perfect. That is the only way I see this changing.

It's not just you, ... it seems that no matter what he does or doesn't do, someone finds fault.

I am so thankful that I don't have everyone watching my every word, deed, and action where-ever I go.

He has not done anything since he came to Dallas that has not happened to someone else before.

He has not done anything that he was accused of while in Philly and SF.

If he ever does something such as that, against the Cowboys, I will be on your side.

So far I haven't seen it, ... though he is not perfect, but who is ? OTJ

Look I don't like TO, was against the move from the get go.

However I also did not like Keys when we got him and did not want him to be a cowboy.

Difference between Keys and TO ....I learned to respect keys...he changed my mind about him.

So far TO has not.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Quick question at the half way point of the season are you satisfied with the job that TO has done?

The big money he gets paid is JJ's business - it's up to Jones to decide if Owens is worth ten mil a year.

My one criteria is whether he represents an upgrade over the player he replaced, and on the field, so far he has. He isn't the blocker Key is nor is he the onfield leader, but of course, despite his decline from his prime in 04, he remains a top five NFL receiver.

Personally, I loathe his selfishness and personality, and think he's a poor influence on team-building and character. I also deplore any player on any team who limits game planning and options by insisting on being kept happy by getting the majority of the balls thown to him. (And no, that is not a lament TG also become a whiney prima donna - since Glenn has been here, he has NEVER been the team's leading pass catcher. I believe Anderson, Witten and Key were in his previous 3 years, and that doesn't faze me one iota).

Owens hasn't been the player he was in 04, but I didn't expect he would be.

 

[the kid 05]

Irvin didn't deliberately get 15 yard penalties like TO does.

did they even call it back then?

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree, ... I don't think you will ever be "more than happy" with him on the team, I really don't.

Unless he somehow becomes perfect. That is the only way I see this changing.

It's not just you, ... it seems that no matter what he does or doesn't do, someone finds fault.

I am so thankful that I don't have everyone watching my every word, deed, and action where-ever I go.

He has not done anything since he came to Dallas that has not happened to someone else before.

He has not done anything that he was accused of while in Philly and SF.

If he ever does something such as that, against the Cowboys, I will be on your side.

So far I haven't seen it, ... though he is not perfect, but who is ? OTJ

You wrong and I'm not asking for perfect I'm asking that he cuts out the BS the sleeping the being late, the comments about the WR coach the endzone BS that hurts this team. I'm not giving him a free pass as you are I am holding him accoutable. He flaps his gum and as they say you talk the talk then walk the walk thus far I'm not seeing it from him I see a loud mouth who has not backed up jack thus far. You seem to make every excuse for the guy your more interested in killing the messenger than to deal with the person.

 

[Doomsday101]

The big money he gets paid is JJ's business - it's up to Jones to decide if Owens is worth ten mil a year.

My one criteria is whether he represents an upgrade over the player he replaced, and on the field, so far he has. He isn't the blocker Key is nor is he the onfield leader, but of course, despite his decline from his prime in 04, he remains a top five NFL receiver.

Personally, I loathe his selfishness and personality, and think he's a poor influence on team-building and character. I also deplore any player on any team who limits game planning and options by insisting on being kept happy by getting the majority of the balls thown to him. (And no, that is not a lament TG also become a whiney prima donna - since Glenn has been here, he has NEVER been the team's leading pass catcher. I believe Anderson, Witten and Key were in his previous 3 years, and that doesn't faze me one iota).

Owens hasn't been the player he was in 04, but I didn't expect he would be.

I just asked who was satisfied with his play. Myself I expect big time players to make big time plays and be able to do so in the clutch and I can't say I'm seeing that right now.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Difference between Keys and TO ....I learned to respect keys...he changed my mind about him.

So far TO has not.

There are a lot of people here who changed their minds on KJ.

Once he proved the team was not merely a vehicle for his own self-aggrandizement, all his bombast and bravado became acceptable, even likable.

I realize Owens has "issues" KJ did not, but even those of us who are disappointed that JJ and Bill fell away from the stated desire to rebuild the team the Pats way - without celebrity, showboating, and super star double standards - imo are willing to give Owens the benefit of the doubt if only he would subordinate his egotistical act to the team good.

Being a 'colorful player' is not a problem..I enjoy those personalities very much. Owens doesen't have to turn into a caricature of a 1950's NFL player..it's a different time and style. He merely has to put his team first, shut up, play by the same small and big rules as everyone else, and show respect for his coaches.

That would certainly earn my respect.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I just asked who was satisfied with his play. Myself I expect big time players to make big time plays and be able to do so in the clutch and I can't say I'm seeing that right now.

Who on this team is a big time player making big time plays in the clutch ?

Don't forget to call them out too.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I just asked who was satisfied with his play. Myself I expect big time players to make big time plays and be able to do so in the clutch and I can't say I'm seeing that right now.

He's leading the team, I'm positive, in third down conversions.

To me, that's clutch.

He hasn't had that many hi-light reel catches, but to me a 'big time play' occurs every time a player extends a drive.

So I am satisfied, as I was with Key's third down conversion rate.

He's no Mike Irvin, of course.

But he never has been.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Who on this team is a big time player making big time plays in the clutch ?

Don't forget to call them out too.

Well, I guess that's where the 25 million dollar contract, non-stop hype, and over-heated evaluations kick in.

Owens takes heat for being 'merely' a very good player because he thinks he's the best, has billed himself as the best, demands the ball as the best, gets paid as the best, and expectations are so high for him.

I consider him 'clutch' for his fine third down numbers..but I can see why others look at that aspect of his game and see a glorified, vastly overpaid possession receiver.

It's a Madden game world where folks can make virtual players super-human on X boxes, and unless 'stars' are piling up fantastic play after fantastic play, something feels fishy.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's leading the team, I'm positive, in third down conversions.

To me, that's clutch.

He hasn't had that many hi-light reel catches, but to me a 'big time play' occurs every time a player extends a drive.

So I am satisfied, as I was with Key's third down conversion rate.

He's no Mike Irvin, of course.

But he never has been.

If the comparison is to key then you have a good point however I don't think the mindset was to get a possesion WR when TO was signed I felt we were looking for a big time playmaker in the same light as Irvin and yes he has been even Mike makes the comparision.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You wrong and I'm not asking for perfect I'm asking that he cuts out the BS the sleeping the being late, the comments about the WR coach the endzone BS that hurts this team. I'm not giving him a free pass as you are I am holding him accoutable. He flaps his gum and as they say you talk the talk then walk the walk thus far I'm not seeing it from him I see a loud mouth who has not backed up jack thus far. You seem to make every excuse for the guy your more interested in killing the messenger than to deal with the person.

I don't make excuses, I just only call him on what he needs called on, not every time he sneezes.

Missing a meeting or falling asleep in one are things that are not acceptable, and should be dealt with, ... but they are not sinister.

Other players have done the same. Yet we only hear about Owens.

The EZ thing is the first thing that I think he has done that was not putting the team first.

I did think it was funny until they threw a flag for it.

Being 4th in the NFL in TD's to me is walking the walk. He is ahead of M. Harrison, Reggie Wayne, T.J. Housyourmamma, Javon Walker, Hines Ward, P. Burress.

That is walking the walk because getting in the EZ is what it is about to me.

All I am asking is for people to just step back, take a breath, and be fair to the guy, ... even though they hate him now and hated him before he came here.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who on this team is a big time player making big time plays in the clutch ?

Don't forget to call them out too.

We got TO to be a playmaker, if all these other guys were big time playmakers we would not have needed to sign TO. I think Jerry was looking for a differance maker and guys like that don't have the dropps TO has had in critical situation be it in the Giants game or the skins game.

 

[Stautner]

We got TO to be a playmaker, if all these other guys were big time playmakers we would not have needed to sign TO. I think Jerry was looking for a differance maker and guys like that don't have the dropps TO has had in critical situation be it in the Giants game or the skins game.

TO is what he is and expecting otherwise is unrealistic.

TO was never considered a great receiver because his hands were dramatically better than others, he has always been considered great because of his ability to get open, to run after the catch, his combination of size and speed and his ablity to use his body to his advantage over smaller DB's. If anyone expected him to become Jerry Rice they were deluding themselves - ocassional drops have always been part of what came with the TO package.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't make excuses, I just only call him on what he needs called on, not every time he sneezes.

Missing a meeting or falling asleep in one are things that are not acceptable, and should be dealt with, ... but they are not sinister.

Other players have done the same. Yet we only hear about Owens.

The EZ thing is the first thing that I think he has done that was not putting the team first.

I did think it was funny until they threw a flag for it.

Being 4th in the NFL in TD's to me is walking the walk. He is ahead of M. Harrison, Reggie Wayne, T.J. Housyourmamma, Javon Walker, Hines Ward, P. Burress.

That is walking the walk because getting in the EZ is what it is about to me.

All I am asking is for people to just step back, take a breath, and be fair to the guy, ... even though they hate him now and hated him before he came here.

We only hear about Owens because of his history of this BS. He gets what he deserves he creats his own problems, he runs his mouth and he is going to get the attention he brings that on himself. The media one day did not just sit back and say hey who can we make an issue over? TO created the enviorment he is in by his own action. As for walking the walk making catches is not what I'm talking about I'm talking about game changing plays that is what these guys do. I don't care if you have 9 catches in a game if the one you drop is in critical situations. In any sport some guys make the big play when you need it the most some don't. I expect that out of TO

 

[Doomsday101]

TO is what he is and expecting otherwise is unrealistic.

TO was never considered a great receiver because his hands were dramatically better than others, he has always been considered great because of his ability to get open, to run after the catch, his combination of size and speed and his ablity to use his body to his advantage over smaller DB's. If anyone expected him to become Jerry Rice they were deluding themselves - ocassional drops have always been part of what came with the TO package.

I was not expecting Jerry Rice but I do expect more than Crayton. TO has been lable of big time player who is clutch and has not lived up to that thus far. To sit there and say well he is no Jerry rice as if he is just some average WR get real Dallas did not spend the money for a guy who is average

 

[stealth]

at this point in the season TO has not at all been worth signing.

If anyone argues otherwise they may need to call the police because it is very possible they are accidently OD'ing.

He may turn out to be worth it but he has cost us a couple games already this year.

He said he was like keyshawn only faster, my sweet sweet arse he is anything like Key. Key was clutch, I have better hands than what TO has shown since he got here.

I woulda cut TO flat out after sundays game.

 

[joseephuss]

at this point in the season TO has not at all been worth signing.

If anyone argues otherwise they may need to call the police because it is very possible they are accidently OD'ing.

He may turn out to be worth it but he has cost us a couple games already this year.

He said he was like keyshawn only faster, my sweet sweet arse he is anything like Key. Key was clutch, I have better hands than what TO has shown since he got here.

I woulda cut TO flat out after sundays game.

Key was not clutch all the time. He had his drops last season and now this season for Carolina. T.O. has not been a difference maker and that is what he is paid to be. So far he has only been Keyshawn.

 

[Stautner]

I was not expecting Jerry Rice but I do expect more than Crayton. TO has been lable of big time player who is clutch and has not lived up to that thus far. To sit there and say well he is no Jerry rice as if he is just some average WR get real Dallas did not spend the money for a guy who is average

Crayton has better hands than TO - better than most receivers. Parcells has on several ocassions said that Crayton has the best hands on the team.

But Crayton is lacking in all the other areas that make TO outstanding, and that's the point. Great hands have never been TO's strongest asset as a receiver - he has always been somewhat average (maybe somewhat above average, but certainly not outstanding) in that area.

I never said the guy was average though - you missread my comments if you thought I did. I merely said that other factors separate him from typical NFL receivers more than his hands do.

 

[stealth]

Key was not clutch all the time. He had his drops last season and now this season for Carolina. T.O. has not been a difference maker and that is what he is paid to be. So far he has only been Keyshawn.

so far KEY>TO

consider the off the field junk

and for us key was clutch, I don't care what he does for the panthers.