Mahomes Mountain this week: Answering the Dak complaints

[Blitzen]

Right. Or the what was before..
Hutchinson, Henson, Carter…

Yes. I don’t want that and that’s why I ask these people that think Dak is terrible to give me a good solution and I’m waiting.

That’s a false equivalency argument. This team/franchise does not compare at all to those teams. From the entire roster, the front office, draft room personnel-even the owner has changed some.

Those QB’s were a teeny reason as to why those early 2000’s teams were so bad. The idea that replacing the QB means an immediate return to those seasons is comical and lazy. A good team tries to find a decent castoff and/or veteran, and prowls the college ranks to see what QB’s appeal to the scouting team the most. If a certain QB drops in the draft (especially in the first round), you pick the QB with a plan to mentor him for at least 1-2 seasons before giving him more room to show what he’s got.

Live with the results (good or bad), till the guy is ready or has to be replaced. Since you are so concerned, what is your plan once Dak is too old to continue starting (not far off now)?

 

[acr731]

Yeah, I have blasted Dak's greediness all of this year. Keep lying. It's what you do.

What about since Sunday? Are you still blasting his greed? It's much worse now if you haven't noticed.

 

[acr731]

That’s a false equivalency argument. This team/franchise does not compare at all to those teams. From the entire roster, the front office, draft room personnel-even the owner has changed some.

Those QB’s were a teeny reason as to why those early 2000’s teams were so bad. The idea that replacing the QB means an immediate return to those seasons is comical and lazy. A good team tries to find a decent castoff and/or veteran, and prowls the college ranks to see what QB’s appeal to the scouting team the most. If a certain QB drops in the draft (especially in the first round), you pick the QB with a plan to mentor him for at least 1-2 seasons before giving him more room to show what he’s got.

Live with the results (good or bad), till the guy is ready or has to be replaced. Since you are so concerned, what is your plan once Dak is too old to continue starting (not far off now)?

Ref the bold - read post #25. Imagine if KC didn't have the foresight to make that move. It is something you will never see from Jerry because he is far too comfortable with just being relevant.

 

[Vtwin]

LOL! I guess for a lot of fans it's easier to scapegoat one guy than to engage in actual mental exercise in evaluating the team's performance. I don't get it but whatever.. It aint changin no time soon so I just have fun with it.

What are you taking about?

I literally suggested evaluating all the moving parts of the play/drive. Which means evaluating the QB as well as every other aspect.

How do you even "evaluate the team's performance" without evaluating the individual performances?

 

[Havic]

No third down conversions in the second half was an alarming stat. The 179 passing yards doesn’t concern me in this game scenario.

 

[DallasEast]

I support the Cowboys. You don't. This forum is for Cowboys Fans. You are not a fan. Zip it.

You or anyone else can make that determination for themselves but have zero authority in enforcing personal categorization onto others. He and every other CowboysZone member, who wishes to engage in conversation on this site, will remain as long as they desire.

 

[DogFace]

That’s a false equivalency argument. This team/franchise does not compare at all to those teams. From the entire roster, the front office, draft room personnel-even the owner has changed some.

Those QB’s were a teeny reason as to why those early 2000’s teams were so bad. The idea that replacing the QB means an immediate return to those seasons is comical and lazy. A good team tries to find a decent castoff and/or veteran, and prowls the college ranks to see what QB’s appeal to the scouting team the most. If a certain QB drops in the draft (especially in the first round), you pick the QB with a plan to mentor him for at least 1-2 seasons before giving him more room to show what he’s got.

Live with the results (good or bad), till the guy is ready or has to be replaced. Since you are so concerned, what is your plan once Dak is too old to continue starting (not far off now)?

I agree it’s not equal. I’m just saying the chance is there and I don’t want to repeat it.

Especially, when we have a top 10 type of guy. Not some scrub or worse a series of scrubs like several franchises have and are enduring. So it’s not really far fetched imo.

I felt the same when we had Romo. He was good enough. Just not a good enough team. Including coaching.

 

[Yobwocs]

“Why trade up in the 1st round and draft a project QB out of Texas Tech when Alex Smith has made two straight Pro Bowls and led us to back to back division wins?”

Are you still on this fantasy even after your woeful 8 month long prediction of Dak being gone? Then he signs on kickoff day lmao has gotta be the funniest thing I've ever seen on this board. No close 2nd.

 

[Yobwocs]

“Why trade up in the 1st round and draft a project QB out of Texas Tech when Alex Smith has made two straight Pro Bowls and led us to back to back division wins?”

Mountaineer Cowboy stop this fantasy. We're not getting a Mahomes. We never were.

If we copy the Chiefs strategy, Jerry is gonna select project Wentz or project Lance. You do know Jerry and Hunt generally do different things....right?

 

[TWOK11]

Never forget that you made entire threads hating on Cooper Rush for having games just like the ones you’re praising Dak for having.

Says the guys who has stated multiple times that Trey Lance and Dak Prescott are the same caliber of quarterback

 

[Vtwin]

I’m a firm believer in accountability. There’s not enough of that these days. People don’t have the intestinal fortitude.

Lol.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

“Why trade up in the 1st round and draft a project QB out of Texas Tech when Alex Smith has made two straight Pro Bowls and led us to back to back division wins?”

A. Singular example out 50 years of NFL draft.

No one has said don't do it. But I can give you name of 10 times as many that didn't turnout to be mahomes. A once in a generation talent.

Your line of reasoning falls apart quickly. Ots not proof of anything.

Again, I am not saying don't trade up.

Again this is not a support of Dak.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You or anyone else can make that determination for themselves but have zero authority in enforcing personal categorization onto others. He and every other CowboysZone member, who wishes to engage in conversation on this site, will remain as long as they desire.

What a shame.

 

[bottleKids]

That list is fine, I mean Allen and Stafford do more with less, based on injuries (Rams) and lack of skill players (Bills), but I don't see anything crazy on that list based on week one performances.

The question becomes what does it look like after week 2?

 

[Blitzen]

I agree it’s not equal. I’m just saying the chance is there and I don’t want to repeat it.

Especially, when we have a top 10 type of guy. Not some scrub or worse a series of scrubs like several franchises have and are enduring. So it’s not really far fetched imo.

I felt the same when we had Romo. He was good enough. Just not a good enough team. Including coaching.

The chance is there with or without Dak. He will not play forever, so the option on keeping him as the starter will still expire pretty soon. When it does, the club will likely still be left with the same dilemma you are so fearful to embrace. What then? I already gave my answer. The Jones’ fear it quite as much as you, but should remember what waiting till the wheels fall off can do to the franchise.

 

[Yobwocs]

Might be fair if not for the simple fact that the defense didn't show up for that Green Bay game. I saw no indication that without the turnovers they still would not have scored. Did you? It just might have taken longer. But in that first half the Packers had drives of 75 and 93. The 75 yarder was on the opening drive of the game so Dak's play had no bearing on that one and I have a hard time seeing how Dak's play influenced that 93 yard drive that began early in the 2nd quarter. The Packers averaged NINE YARDS PER PLAY on that drive. If anything seeing how bad the defense was playing was what made Dak feel like he needed to force the issue which led to the pick 6. If the defense is showing any sign of life it's a lock doesn't make that throw and is content to punt and let the defense work or go ahead and take the FG to make it 14-7? What about after the first INT the defense forced the Packers to take 3 whole plays to go 19 yards for a TD. That's over 6 yards per play IN THE RED ZONE! What about that inspires anyone to think they could have stopped them if it had been from further out? Again no one is going to say Dak played well in that game but the putrid performance by the defense (and CeeDee's drops) caused him to try to do more than he was capable of and it looked awful until the second half.

This is a good take. Also worth of note is defenses like 49ers and Ravens played one bad half of football against the Lions and Chiefs. But in the 2nd half they were about perfect, allowing the QB to make a comeback, or an attempt at one.

Cowboys defense if did the same, the Quarterback will feel things calm down and play it slowly and loosely. like in the Green Bay playoff game in 2016. In the 2nd half, the defense were able to get some stops of Rodgers they weren't able to in the first half.

 

[RonnieT24]

This is a good take. Also worth of note is defenses like 49ers and Ravens played one bad half of football against the Lions and Chiefs. But in the 2nd half they were about perfect, allowing the QB to make a comeback, or an attempt at one.

Cowboys defense if did the same, the Quarterback will feel things calm down and play it slowly and loosely. like in the Green Bay playoff game in 2016. In the 2nd half, the defense were able to get some stops of Rodgers they weren't able to in the first half.

Exactly... the defense allowed TDs on 6 of the first 7 possessions in that damn game including the very first one. At no point in time did it look like they were going to show up so Dak and the offense were forced into desperation mode. The Cowboys scored on 3 straight possessions (2 TD and a FG) from the end of the 2nd quarter until the beginning of the 4th AND LOST GROUND because the defense refused to stand up and join the fight, giving up 3 straight TD drives, one being a 3 play 75 yard "drive." But.... Dak...

 

[Proof]

They LOVE to fight.

on the heels of the post prior that’s pretty ironic lol.

 

[Proof]

Can’t reply to your DM, bro.

Thanks for the info and that’s a big yikes. I’ll keep that all in mind lol

creepy

 

[acr731]

What a shame.

So you admit you want to silence everyone who doesn't worship Dak like you do, is that why you think what DE said was a shame? You don't set the parameters or get to decide who gets to be a fan or what they have to do to earn it. Not even Jerry gets to make that decision.