Manziel: "I grew up a Cowboys fan, I was born at halftime of a game, would be folktale to wear Star"

[gmoney112]

Those saying he has a great arm are obviously reading sports clippings and didn't watch A&M at all this year. I watched 4-5 of their games and his arm is "average", half his throws were to Evans who just happened to get wide open because he's one of the best WR's in college football.

I can count on one hand the amount of throws I saw Johnny make that wow'ed me. He makes it exciting by scrambling around a ton but that's not going to translate to the NFL.

As far as him "carrying" his team, A&M has had a top 10 recruiting class or better since JF has been there, including one of the best OL's in the country. A&M has been stacked so that argument is pretty weak.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm going to leave a quote here by Stephen Jones, a reporter asked back in 2012. "Who was the number one pick on the draft board for the Cowboys back in the 2012 NFL draft?" "Andrew Luck was".. They've already tried to replace Romo once and I don't blame them.
If Dallas can trade up to select Manziel, they will. The kid can win when it matters the most. That's a born leader of men.

False logic...............Luck was probably #1 on everybody's board, that is how you put the board together.............doesn't mean they were trying to replace Romo.

And considering he signed a $100 million dollar extension AFTER THIS EVENT, seems to indicate that they were not trying to replace him. Why would you lock up somebody you are trying to replace?

 

[Beast_from_East]

If one quote from Manziel is generating well over 100 posts on one site, imagine what actually drafting him would do media-wise.....I am hopeful that Jones doesn't read this thread or any other one regarding this kid....he will forget that he has a team to improve and put us in the dark ages by trading the farm to get him...I can't imagine even Jones is THAT stupid....

Yea, he generated over 100 post and 90% of those posts don't want him.......................that doesn't sound like a fan favorite to me.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Dude when you're going to a top 3 pick in the draft, the only thing that you can do by throwing is lower you draft stock. It's kinda like playing blackjack and getting 20, well you could take a hit and possibly get an ace but that 20 will win a high percentage of the time. JFoots is sitting on 2 kings and I don't blame him for not taking a hit (not throwing at the combine).

Isnt Clowney going to the combine?

 

[Risen Star]

False logic...............Luck was probably #1 on everybody's board, that is how you put the board together.............doesn't mean they were trying to replace Romo.

And considering he signed a $100 million dollar extension AFTER THIS EVENT, seems to indicate that they were not trying to replace him. Why would you lock up somebody you are trying to replace?

Yeah, that's some logic there. If you rate a QB the best player in that year's draft class, you're trying to replace your own QB.

That's needs obsessed nonsense. Anyone who understands the draft wouldn't think like that.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

At this point. Under current conditions. JJ the meddling owner....etc etc. Romo getting older, etc etc ...


Take Him. I would LOVE to see Johnny Football as a Cowboy.

If anything, I think he chucks it to Dez every chance he gets..........

Let him set for a year, maybe two as we "go through the motions" of this dying core and go 7-9, 8-8 , quite possibly 5-11 , 6 -10....

if anything, I think JF, ignores coaches , and JJ. and puts on his own show.....

at this point, knowing what we know, under these conditions, what do we have to lose????

 

[Risen Star]

Those saying he has a great arm are obviously reading sports clippings and didn't watch A&M at all this year. I watched 4-5 of their games and his arm is "average", half his throws were to Evans who just happened to get wide open because he's one of the best WR's in college football.

I can count on one hand the amount of throws I saw Johnny make that wow'ed me. He makes it exciting by scrambling around a ton but that's not going to translate to the NFL.

As far as him "carrying" his team, A&M has had a top 10 recruiting class or better since JF has been there, including one of the best OL's in the country. A&M has been stacked so that argument is pretty weak.

Agreed. His arm is subpar.

But, then again, I just watched a subpar QB win a Super Bowl. So I guess I can't rule out Manziel having success despite lacking the skill set of a traditional NFL QB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

JMO but Johnny Football is overrated. Not by a lot but still thought of a little too highly.

 

[Nirvana]

All the coaches heads are on the line next season, Manziel is not the answer to their problems. They will stand on the table to get somebody else drafted who can make an immediate impact.

 

[Aggie87]

Those saying he has a great arm are obviously reading sports clippings and didn't watch A&M at all this year. I watched 4-5 of their games and his arm is "average", half his throws were to Evans who just happened to get wide open because he's one of the best WR's in college football.

I can count on one hand the amount of throws I saw Johnny make that wow'ed me. He makes it exciting by scrambling around a ton but that's not going to translate to the NFL.

As far as him "carrying" his team, A&M has had a top 10 recruiting class or better since JF has been there, including one of the best OL's in the country. A&M has been stacked so that argument is pretty weak.

I watched every single game he played the past two years, a couple in person. What you're saying is simply not true. Manziel was 4th in the nation in yards/attempt (9.6 yds/att). Winston was 1st with 10.6 yds/att. I don't think he has a weak arm.

And Manziel does NOT throw half of his passes to Mike Evans. Of the 339 passes completed last season by A&M (300 by Manziel), Evans caught 69. That's 20% of all pass completions. In 2012, A&M completed 329 passes (295 by Manziel). Evans caught 82. That's 25%. Over both seasons he caught 22% of all of A&M's passes.

If you weren't wow'ed by Manziel that's fine with me. But to base it on statements that aren't true doesn't make sense. Manziel completed 68% of his passes in 2012 and 70% in 2013. That's pretty damn good. Teddy Bridgewater completed 71% of his passes in 2013, but for fewer yards. So does that mean he has a weaker arm since he didn't throw for as many yards?

I'd also argue that A&M didn't have that good of an offensive line this past season. Jake Matthews was good, but the rest were truly average linemen. Never the less, Manziel scrambled less in 2013 than he did in 2012, indicating that he improved as a pocket passer, and is aware that is what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.

 

[gmoney112]

I watched every single game he played the past two years, a couple in person. What you're saying is simply not true. Manziel was 4th in the nation in yards/attempt (9.6 yds/att). Winston was 1st with 10.6 yds/att. I don't think he has a weak arm.

And Manziel does NOT throw half of his passes to Mike Evans. Of the 339 passes completed last season by A&M (300 by Manziel), Evans caught 69. That's 20% of all pass completions. In 2012, A&M completed 329 passes (295 by Manziel). Evans caught 82. That's 25%. Over both seasons he caught 22% of all of A&M's passes.

If you weren't wow'ed by Manziel that's fine with me. But to base it on statements that aren't true doesn't make sense. Manziel completed 68% of his passes in 2012 and 70% in 2013. That's pretty damn good. Teddy Bridgewater completed 71% of his passes in 2013, but for fewer yards. So does that mean he has a weaker arm since he didn't throw for as many yards?

I'd also argue that A&M didn't have that good of an offensive line this past season. Jake Matthews was good, but the rest were truly average linemen. Never the less, Manziel scrambled less in 2013 than he did in 2012, indicating that he improved as a pocket passer, and is aware that is what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.

I never said he had a weak arm, I said it was average. Not sure how the YPA is relevant.

My Evans comment was more tongue in cheek. Evans just outmatched his competition, it was fun to watch. He had a lot of big plays. 20ypc, JF didn't have to exactly thread the needle to this guy.

Once again I don't see how completion % is accurate or why I was misinterpreted as correlating yards to arm strength. So if that's how it came across I apologize.

He's a great college QB but I just don't think he's going to be good enough to warrant a 1st round pick

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

A little off topic……….. Russ Wilson is a fine QB on a balanced team imo. He's a bit of a throwback considering that 14 of the 20 all time single seasons passing yards leaders have come since 2007. It's a passing league, and the Seahawks are a running, defensive team, but I don't think that defines him as a QB. He can extend plays outside the pocket and still throw with accuracy. He can take shots deep, with accuracy……. And if there's running yards on the field to be gained, he gets them…...he's patient. I think he's just going to get better, he seems like a really smart kid.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I haven't read through all the pages of this thread, but I have a question. Since we still have Romo, Manziel wouldn't have to play right away. Could he be NFL ready in a few years when Romo hangs it up? I'm not saying we should draft him or that we shouldn't. Just wondering what you guys think about his potential down the line.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think Johnny Football will be NFL ready sooner than anyone thinks he will be. I absolutely love the guy and the way he plays the game. He makes it fun to watch and I bet it is fun to play with him. The guy simply has "it" in spades.

I realize it would take a lot to move up and get him, but I absolutely would try if I was Dallas. What he'd bring to the franchise in the state of Texas would be priceless. One guy can make a huge difference at that position. Roger Staubach was responsible for about half the fanbase being Cowboy fans in the 70's. He was that popular with the fans. Johnny could do the same thing, IMO.

He is simply a winner, and if he hit it big in the NFL, Manziel Mania is going to be a phenomena all over the country. If he wins big in the NFL, what he will mean to his team will transcend the value of draft picks. If he stays in state and plays for Dallas, he will be worth many #1 draft picks.

I 100% think Dallas should go up and get him and let him watch Tony for a year or two. It is just too perfect. Dallas has a good QB who is nearing the end, so they are going to be in need of a QB very soon. Tony has a lot he could pass along to the guy. Manziel is loved in the state of Texas and it would be phenomenal for him to be drafted by Dallas and stay in the state... on the most popular sport franchise in the United States. The new blueprint for an NFL QB says mobility and the ability to improvise is more important than ever. Johnny cornered the market on those traits. You want a leader? Manziel draws players to him like flies to honey. His team mates love him, and they fully believe he is going to take them to victory. Intangibles, charisma, moxie, luck, mojo... all of them are the province of Johnny Football.

Please bring him to Dallas. He was made to wear the star and bring it back to the forefront of winning in the NFL.

Yes it would cost a lot, but I think it would be well worth the price. He could be beyond value to the franchise if he plays well. A few years from now the cost would be forgotten and Manziel would be nearing his prime.

 

[Nirvana]

It's not even a remote possibility we draft him. It's simply not going to happen, and shouldn't.

More interesting discussion is if the Texans will take him. I think they should. It's a good fit.

 

[theSHOW]

I think Johnny Football will be NFL ready sooner than anyone thinks he will be. I absolutely love the guy and the way he plays the game. He makes it fun to watch and I bet it is fun to play with him. The guy simply has "it" in spades.

I realize it would take a lot to move up and get him, but I absolutely would try if I was Dallas. What he'd bring to the franchise in the state of Texas would be priceless. One guy can make a huge difference at that position. Roger Staubach was responsible for about half the fanbase being Cowboy fans in the 70's. He was that popular with the fans. Johnny could do the same thing, IMO.

He is simply a winner, and if he hit it big in the NFL, Manziel Mania is going to be a phenomena all over the country. If he wins big in the NFL, what he will mean to his team will transcend the value of draft picks. If he stays in state and plays for Dallas, he will be worth many #1 draft picks.

I 100% think Dallas should go up and get him and let him watch Tony for a year or two. It is just too perfect. Dallas has a good QB who is nearing the end, so they are going to be in need of a QB very soon. Tony has a lot he could pass along to the guy. Manziel is loved in the state of Texas and it would be phenomenal for him to be drafted by Dallas and stay in the state... on the most popular sport franchise in the United States. The new blueprint for an NFL QB says mobility and the ability to improvise is more important than ever. Johnny cornered the market on those traits. You want a leader? Manziel draws players to him like flies to honey. His team mates love him, and they fully believe he is going to take them to victory. Intangibles, charisma, moxie, luck, mojo... all of them are the province of Johnny Football.

Please bring him to Dallas. He was made to wear the star and bring it back to the forefront of winning in the NFL.

Yes it would cost a lot, but I think it would be well worth the price. He could be beyond value to the franchise if he plays well. A few years from now the cost would be forgotten and Manziel would be nearing his prime.

That's all nice.......that he was born at halftime of a football game..... And sweet that he is from Texas. Will even bring sales in and sell a few hundred thousand J. Football Jerseys. Dallas would give Johnny more than Johnny gives the Cowboys. We don't even know if he is the best quarterback in this draft. Dallas selects 17th. We go up and get him and he can't play the pro game we set the franchise back 5 years. I would take the bpa that fills in one of the 5-6 positions that suck on this team.

 

[Szczepanik]

I could care less about that, I just don't have faith in his size or style; but I may eat dirt on that.

I don't have faith in his style either. It is very much like an undersized stafford whom just chucks the ball into double coverages. Doesn't work like that unless you have Calvin.

 

[Nation]

lmao. Not according to my eyes or the best scouts in the game. His arm strength is good and accuracy top notch, mobility is excellent. Best QB in college, and his game really fits the modern NFL game, gonna be a star.

Youre a hater...people either love or hate the guy, i enjoy watching the guy play, hes exciting.

I don't hate the guy at all, I enjoy watching him play. There isn't a scouting report that says he had an elite NFL arm though.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

One thing more to add, I heard Mosley and Cowlishaw a couple months ago when they had Larry Lacewell on. He loves Johnny Football.

Just a little nightmare fuel for the JF haters.

 

[Nightman]

What exactly has he won? Multiple championship? Seems to me he has come up short in some big games. Pass on him

He went into the mighty SEC and dominated as a Freshman and Sophomore. Oh yeah and he won the Heisman, beat the #1 team at Alabama and the Cotton Bowl and Chick Fil-a Bowl.