McCarthy forcing the run in the red zone was very telling

[SteveTheCowboy]

If this season goes like the previous ones, they absolutely should fire McCarthy. He's not that good. That's not an excuse for Dak who, if the season goes off the tracks again, should be looked at in the offseason as well.

But some of you are trying to convince yourselves McCarthy is really good just being ruined by Dak. He's not. McCarthy isn't a great HC/OC.

Get rid of head coach and qb.?

 

[khiladi]

I couldn't all the running plays at the end of the game when we were down by 2 scores.Even if we scored a TD there would be very little time left to get the ball back and score again.

They had 3 minutes left. There was more than enough time to make a stop and have another series to try and score.

 

[Sydla]

Don’t shoot the messenger, as MM said Moore was too aggressive, wanted to score too much and they didn’t want Dak to be taking these risks.

As far as MM, I said this experiment is the same thing Jerry tried before with Callahan and it’s not going to work. They don’t want to change the playbook, just make him a more effective play-caller. Callahan was West Coast too and he was going into his tendencies of that, which is why Garrett kept interfering. Then they went and got Linehan, as he called plays in the same Coryell offense. The problem is, Moore was not Garrett, that he was incompetent at calling plays. And Dak is a mental midget at QB.

I said from the beginning Moore is a scapegoat.

I was not a Moore fan and was willing to make a change given there was just something off. But how they went about it and then just giving the playcalling to McCarthy was a mistake.

 

[Sydla]

Get rid of head coach and qb.?

If this season goes sideways, yeah, absolutely. Blow it up offensively.

 

[Sydla]

They had 3 minutes left. There was more than enough time to make a stop and have another series to try and score.

If they are so scared to let him throw in the RZ, then why did they let him do it earlier on other RZ trips.

To me, this was McCarthy getting cute thinking he was outfoxing the Cards DC. He figured they were goign to guess we would pass given the time situation and he would take advantage by running.

It fits with his overall "cuteness" and overthinking we see in the RZ from him. Like the stupid Lamb motion that turns into an option play that goes for nothing. Even the announcers were perplexed at the play call/design.

 

[TWOK11]

Dak was the second highest rated red zone QB in the entire NFL across 2021-2022.

I won’t argue with you that the playcalling in the red zone has been poor this year.

 

[morat1959]

I think it's equally him and McCarthy.

McCarthy is not a great HC. There's a reason no one was knocking down his door after he got shitcanned by GB. He's overrated. But he was the perfect Jerry re-tread............. a guy looking for a good gig who would let Jerry continue to pull the strings.

Before it was KM. Who’s the next scapegoat after MM.

 

[Adreme]

It shows why MM got fired in Green Bay and how Rodgers won 2 straight MVPs after MM was fired. I have been saying for years now that MM is not the guy. He is a fossil who stubbornly refuses to evolve to the modern NFL. He was brilliant when he started but you cant just stick with what you were. In the NFL you have to shift your offense to what the game is.

 

[plymkr]

So why did the defense allow 222 rushing yards?

Good point. This brings up the elephant in the room. If Dak signs an extension and it’s in the Jalen Hurts or Joe Burrow level, 50 or 50+ million APY, then we won’t be able to afford an elite defense. Also we’ll have trouble keeping the Tyler Smiths and Tyler BDZs. So what we saw today is Dak can’t beat the worst team in the league without an elite defense and a sub par offensive line. So this will be life if he signs an extension for 50 million. Dak is an average to above average player and he plays great when all the other parts are clicking. But when the other parts aren’t clicking he can’t overcome it. We can’t pay an average player elite money. If we do then this is the result we’ll get. Very conservative QB play with untimely mistakes and a poor supporting cast.

Dak is not the complete reason we lost today. The defense was. Defense was 75% of the fault and the offense was 25%. My concern is when the defense sucks so does Dak. But if Dak gets paid another massive sum then other parts of the team will suck and Dak isn’t good enough to overcome it.

For me that’s why this one hurts so much. I was fooled into thinking Dak turned the corner. But when your coach is coaching out of fear that the QB will screw up, then Dak hasn’t turned the corner. It sucks. I really wanted to believe he turned the corner. I guess I tried to talk myself into it.

 

[Sydla]

Before it was KM. Who’s the next scapegoat after MM.

Crazy thought.

Maybe Jerry isn't all that good at hiring coaches? I mean look at our history of coaching hires other than Johnson? It's pretty awful. And not just HCs. There have been some real bozo coordinator hires as well.

So maybe it was both Moore and McCarthy who weren't great? Why does it have to either/or? And why does it have to be all Dak or all McCarthy? More than likely, it's both.

But sure, poor McCarthy. A genius being stunted by Dak. LOL.

 

[khiladi]

I was not a Moore fan and was willing to make a change given there was just something off. But how they went about it and then just giving the playcalling to McCarthy was a mistake.

Remember, they brought in Schottenheimer last year. He runs a Coryell and they made him OC. I think they did that because they knew Moore would be leaving anyways: They were never changing the offense completely, because of how limited Dak is Dak is the last person you want instability for.

I’m beginning to think Dallas is seriously considering not extending Dak since they are going to have to pay out Parsons.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dak was the second highest rated red zone QB in the entire NFL across 2021-2022.

I won’t argue with you that the playcalling in the red zone has been poor this year.

It was the play callers fault.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

There's a reason we traded for Trey Lance.

I am befuddled and with a feeling of angst that you or others believe they believe Lance is viable. Adults who indulge in such fanciful speculation are in a different reality.

 

[khiladi]

So why did the defense allow 222 rushing yards?

The defense can do that once in awhile. It’s expected that a franchise QB Carrie’s a team, since they have the ball in their hands the most..

 

[morat1959]

Crazy thought.

Maybe Jerry isn't all that good at hiring coaches? I mean look at our history of coaching hires other than Johnson? It's pretty awful. And not just HCs. There have been some real bozo coordinator hires as well.

So maybe it was both Moore and McCarthy who weren't great? Why does it have to either/or? And why does it have to be all Dak or all McCarthy? More than likely, it's both.

But sure, poor McCarthy. A genius being stunted by Dak. LOL.

Dak will stun any and all OC’s.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Crazy thought.

Maybe Jerry isn't all that good at hiring coaches? I mean look at our history of coaching hires other than Johnson? It's pretty awful. And not just HCs. There have been some real bozo coordinator hires as well.

So maybe it was both Moore and McCarthy who weren't great? Why does it have to either/or? And why does it have to be all Dak or all McCarthy? More than likely, it's both.

But sure, poor McCarthy. A genius being stunted by Dak. LOL.

Jerry doesn't catch throw or block.


You saying our players don't know football..?

 

[Sydla]

Remember, they brought in Schottenheimer last year. He runs a Coryell and they made him OC. I think they did that because they knew Moore would be leaving anyways: They were never changing the offense completely, because of how limited Dak is Dak is the last person you want instability for.

I’m beginning to think Dallas is seriously considering not extending Dak since they are going to have to pay out Parsons.

Schottenheimer is kind of a boob as well. He got fired by Seattle after his offenses fell apart late in the 2020 season. He couldn't get another OC gig so he ended up as a passing game coordinator in Jax and did nothing there. Then Dallas brought him in as an analyst eventually elevating him to OC (which was meaningless given McCarthy was going to call plays).

If this season goes the way of the last one or worse, and they part with Dak but retain McCarthy, that's laughable. McCarthy has as much influence in these failures as Dak.

 

[Sydla]

Dak will stun any and all OC’s.

Maybe (likely) he will.

Doesn't change the fact that McCarthy isn't a great OC and certainly is not being held back from greatness by Dak.

But you certainly seem to have convinced yourself of that.

 

[Sydla]

Jerry doesn't catch throw or block.


You saying our players don't know football..?

So coaching doesn't matter? Are you trying to argue that Jerry actually has done a nice job of hiring coaches?

I feel like we warped back to like 5 years ago when it was clear Garrett wasn't the guy and yet people kept defending him with silly comments like "Garrett doesn't throw or catch............"

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So coaching doesn't matter? Are you trying to argue that Jerry actually has done a nice job of hiring coaches?

I feel like we warped back to like 5 years ago when it was clear Garrett wasn't the guy and yet people kept defending him with silly comments like "Garrett doesn't throw or catch............"

Players make plays.