Michael Sam openly gay

[TheRat]

I don't follow. What does their role in society have to do with anything?

Does a gay man go into a men's restroom or a woman's restroom? A men's restroom of course. In school and growing up, girls and boys are grouped together and participate in gender specific activities. They are of the male gender and are associate with and participate in male specific roles.

It is only when an individual is transgender does that role reverse. So it would be unreasonable if we would view a non-transgender gay male through a different lens and put expectations on them we associate with women as you are doing. The vast majority of gay men are responsible human beings and know how to behave in our society and what is expected of them as a man.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You didn't answer my question. You said it's ridiculous since he obviously would control himself.

I'm asking if that means men should share locker rooms with women as long as they control themselves?

I think it's a fair question.

about as fair as "what's wrong with racial profiling? because in the end, if you did nothing wrong, nothing will happen."

There's an obvious difference between males, straight and gay, sharing a locker room versus both genders sharing a locker room. Since before bathrooms/locker rooms were invented, men and women typically do not expose themselves in front of each other, unless they had an intimate relationship. Among the same gender, it just isn't as taboo. Some may think that they have never shared a locker room with a homosexual, but odds are, if you use a locker room, you have been in one with someone who was a homosexual. So to not allow a gay man to use the locker room with his team mates is discrimination, since there is no reason beyond his sexuality to exclude him as opposed to a man sharing a women's locker room since that is typically not allowed.

 

[tecolote]

The world is not taught this. But you talking like this is what breed's it.

I couldnt care less about his orientation, but I sure wouldnt want to be in a locker room with him. And that, is why this is an issue.

I once knew a gay, he played on our high school baseball team. While in the locker room, we would always, and when I say we I mean the straights, we would always shower in pairs, using the same shower, we would stand back to back so we could always have eyes on the gay. You see, we feared that the he would jump us if alone. Every straight had a shower buddy. Anyway, one day I was sick and didn't go to school, my shower buddy had to go at it alone. The gay had a field day with him, my shower buddy could not walk straight for a month. He later discovered he was also gay, so it wasn't a total loss for him. As for me, I never had another shower buddy quite like him, I was crushed. So as you can see I see where you are coming from. I feel you.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I once knew a gay, he played on our high school baseball team. While in the locker room, we would always, and when I say we I mean the straights, we would always shower in pairs, using the same shower, we would stand back to back so we could always have eyes on the gay. You see, we feared that the he would jump us if alone. Every straight had a shower buddy. Anyway, one day I was sick and didn't go to school, my shower buddy had to go at it alone. The gay had a field day with him, my shower buddy could not walk straight for a month. He later discovered he was also gay, so it wasn't a total loss for him. As for me, I never had another shower buddy quite like him, I was crushed. So as you can see I see where you are coming from. I feel you.

Seriously?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Seriously?

lol, he obviously is mocking anyone who thinks he shouldn't be allowed in the locker room.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I once knew a gay, he played on our high school baseball team. While in the locker room, we would always, and when I say we I mean the straights, we would always shower in pairs, using the same shower, we would stand back to back so we could always have eyes on the gay. You see, we feared that the he would jump us if alone. Every straight had a shower buddy. Anyway, one day I was sick and didn't go to school, my shower buddy had to go at it alone. The gay had a field day with him, my shower buddy could not walk straight for a month. He later discovered he was also gay, so it wasn't a total loss for him. As for me, I never had another shower buddy quite like him, I was crushed. So as you can see I see where you are coming from. I feel you.

Anyone who has a "shower buddy" has no room to make fun of gay people.

jkjk

Because obviously Sam will be going around groping his teammates.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

lol, he obviously is mocking anyone who thinks he shouldn't be allowed in the locker room.

That's what I figured just confirming lol.

 

[TheRat]

I once knew a gay, he played on our high school baseball team. While in the locker room, we would always, and when I say we I mean the straights, we would always shower in pairs, using the same shower, we would stand back to back so we could always have eyes on the gay. You see, we feared that the he would jump us if alone. Every straight had a shower buddy. Anyway, one day I was sick and didn't go to school, my shower buddy had to go at it alone. The gay had a field day with him, my shower buddy could not walk straight for a month. He later discovered he was also gay, so it wasn't a total loss for him. As for me, I never had another shower buddy quite like him, I was crushed. So as you can see I see where you are coming from. I feel you.

teh geys are always chasing me around in the shower in the gym. Do you know where I could find a good shower buddy?

 

[tecolote]

Seriously?

Hahaha. No man. That didn't happen.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Hahaha. No man. That didn't happen.

lmao, if anyone believed that.....then they have bigger things to worry about then gay men in locker rooms

 

[Common Sense]

lmao, if anyone believed that.....then they have bigger things to worry about then gay men in locker rooms

Wait... bigger than THAT?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I remember reading a book once & it stated Troy was furious because Skip Bayless insinuated he was gay. If I remember right he claimed Switzer was the one who put that out there.

That was a long ago read & that team was long before my time but I think there are probably gay players in the NFL right now. Maybe they'll be more open now.

 

[tm1119]

You didn't answer my question. You said it's ridiculous since he obviously would control himself.

I'm asking if that means men should share locker rooms with women as long as they control themselves?

I think it's a fair question.

And you didn't answer my question of what's the correlation between a gay man a woman?

He is a man in a men's locker room. Why does it go any further than that? So I'm guessing you want seperate public bathrooms just incase a gay guy tries to pee next to you at a urinal? Because obviously that guy is going to be staring at you the entire time.

Pretty ridiculous that this conversation even needs to be had to be honest.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The world is not taught this. But you talking like this is what breed's it.

I couldnt care less about his orientation, but I sure wouldnt want to be in a locker room with him. And that, is why this is an issue.

yea, people that tend to want equality, sure do make the world a difficult place

 

[Tabascocat]

I remember reading a book once & it stated Troy was furious because Skip Bayless insinuated he was gay. If I remember right he claimed Switzer was the one who put that out there.

That was a long ago read & that team was long before my time but I think there are probably gay players in the NFL right now. Maybe they'll be more open now.

Back in 1991, me, my best friend and his brother(both Steeler fans) took me to the Thanksgiving game. This was my first time away from home for a holiday but loved it. His brother was a MD for the Navy and he footed the bill. After the game, we went out drinking a bit more then decided on some grub before we called it a night.

We went to Denny's and low and behold, Troy walks in with three of his friends, 2 males and a female. They sat in the booth behind us and we heard some of their conversation. Troy sat with some guy on his side and the other two sat on the other. I overheard Troy say he was out of dip and I happened to have two cans on me. I offered him a plug, he took it and thanked me, nothing more was said. His friend next to him playfully flicked his empty can on the table giggling.

Fast forward a few years, a story comes out that he might be gay. I never thought much of it with a who cares attitude. After some thought and media pressure, I thought back to that day in Denny's.......why was this guy giggling next to Troy like that? Could Troy actually be gay? Naw, noway, he is the Cowboy's QB. He got married years later, but who knows.....

To this day, I will always wonder...not from what I saw, but from the media's "opinion". They are powerful in instilling thoughts that are most likely incorrect. Aaron Rodgers is the next prime target, some say too much evidence against him, whatever.

Baseball example: Mike Piazza and Sam Champion......according to some, they had a love affair that went bad. Again, I don't care.

Moral of my story is.....the media does more harm than good and can ruin careers on false presumptions or exaggerations. Darn the media for tarnishing the images of two of my favorite athletes, not that I care one way or the other if true or not but I will never forget the skoal can action due to the media, it is always a thought somewhere in the back of my mind when that subject comes up about Troy.

This nation has made progress on sexual orientation but still a ways to go since it is still headlining. Jackie Robinson is an example, he broke the barrier for African-Americans and today.........there is no second thought to what color the player is in baseball which carried over into other sports. Many years from now, sexuality will not be questioned either. As our fearless leader would say -------- it's a process

 

[JDSTAR]

Man i wish i can express myself properly in english... some day, human beings will not be forced to discuss their sexuality with the world, honestly that issue shouldn't be over discussion at all, we as individuals have more important things that can define us as people. I really wish him the best, and i hope the NFL treats him with respect and dignity.

Well said/written!!

 

[Szczepanik]

Not trying to offend anyone, because I am very proud of him coming out. Takes alot of heart to do that.

With that said, he is the RKG. Right Kind of Gay that we need on this team.

 

[jnday]

Man i wish i can express myself properly in english... some day, human beings will not be forced to discuss their sexuality with the world, honestly that issue shouldn't be over discussion at all, we as individuals have more important things that can define us as people. I really wish him the best, and i hope the NFL treats him with respect and dignity.

Putting my beliefs aside, I don't think his sexual preference should have been made a topic for the media anyway. Don't be fooled, his draft status will drop. There will not ever be a GM come out and give the reason that him being gay is the reason for passing on him in the draft, but it will happen. Given the media attention that the Cowboys receive, it would create a distraction, a big distraction. Some players would be fine with having an openly gay player on the team and some won't. That is life.

 

[LatinMind]

There's no way Seattle would pass on him in the fifth. He fits their Leo position too well as a rotational player.

Sam is not a LBer. he's a DE. Dont look at his size. They tried him at OLB at the SR bowl and he was awful

 

[funkytown]

This whole situation is very interesting. As a fan, I could care less if a player is gay or not. Same in society, I could care less what sexual preference another man has.

But this is the NFL we are talking about. Testosterone, bravado, and egos flying all over the place. I think we all know that Michael Sam is in for a huge challenge, and any team drafting him has to know this. Each team has to know their own locker room and be comfortable that it can handle potential issues and distractions.

I have no doubt that this will affect his draft stock in the eyes of some teams, maybe all teams. I wouldnt go as far as to say it will cause him to go undrafted or get picked in the 7th round but he will slip on some boards. Some teams could completely remove him from their boards.

Ultimately it will boil down to what type of player he is, or what type of player he could become. I give the guy all the credit in the world, takes a lot of bravery to do this. All of the before the biggest few months of your life. Good luck to the guy.

With all of that being said, i'm not really sure this team and this locker room is ready for all of that. I dont know enough about him as a football player to say he could help this team on the field. But if the guy is being projected as a 3rd/4th rounder and is available later in the draft I would want my team to select him.