Mike Leach on QB accuracy

[HungryLion]

It doesnt say that here is why.
Dak has the ability to make all the throws in practice but when the game speed is faster and he cant set his feet for 6 sec and the WR is open by a step is when we see he struggles. He will make some of the throws but he will miss some and will even hesitate to even make that throw.
Dak can throw the ball 40 or 50 yards but he has to put much more air and effort into the throw than say a guy like Eli Manning. Its common sense for anyone that has played any sport. If a soccer player tries to kick a ball too hard he will lose accuracy, If a tennis player tries to hit a ball too hard he will lose accuracy, If a baseball pitcher tries to throw a ball too hard he loses accuracy. This all relates to technique but you still need natural arm strength.

No, it’s not common sense at all.

Dak’s arm is plenty strong enough. The balls that sail on him are from poor technique in general. Not from him having to try and throw too hard.

You’re trying to put words into the mouths of professional scouts. If professional scouts thought he lacked the needed arm strength, they would just say that. However, none of his scouting reports do say that.

 

[erod]

It doesnt say that here is why.
Dak has the ability to make all the throws in practice but when the game speed is faster and he cant set his feet for 6 sec and the WR is open by a step is when we see he struggles. He will make some of the throws but he will miss some and will even hesitate to even make that throw.
Dak can throw the ball 40 or 50 yards but he has to put much more air and effort into the throw than say a guy like Eli Manning. Its common sense for anyone that has played any sport. If a soccer player tries to kick a ball too hard he will lose accuracy, If a tennis player tries to hit a ball too hard he will lose accuracy, If a baseball pitcher tries to throw a ball too hard he loses accuracy. This all relates to technique but you still need natural arm strength.

Lot of truth here.

Most of the accurate QBs can just "flick" the ball 30 yards downfield. Less motion means more accuracy. They throw it from their ear rather than from a wind up.

 

[erod]

I find it amazing some are saying he is inaccurate, which is by all accounts just flat out silly.

And he throws beyond 15 yards at a league average rate, so "which he diesnt even attempt too often" is also a lie, and on those throws he is better than average.

And that's why most people start liking Dak more than they should, because most of the criticism is rooted in baseless lies like these.

How often do you see him complete balls in tight windows on seam routes?

Virtually never. Doesn't try them unless a guy is wide open. And never before a receiver comes out of a break in a timing route. That isn't in his playbook.

 

[BleedinBlue]

Qb's don't drop back and try and complete the hardest pass they can. Tight windows and throwing a receiver open are just buzz words that happen a small percentage of the time for all Qb's. Don't act like that's the norm around the NFL and like the "elite" or top 10 do that on a regular basis. They throw the biggest percentage to "wide" open guys.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

How often do you see him complete balls in tight windows on seam routes?

Virtually never. Doesn't try them unless a guy is wide open. And never before a receiver comes out of a break in a timing route. That isn't in his playbook.

We don't target up the seam, we dont even send receivers up there, that is playbook. Until late in the season wuth Jarwin when Dak DID throw tight window throws up the seem and it was crazy productive. He might not try right window throws up ththe seem often, but he throws tight window throws in general all the time.

Lol "never before a receiver comes out of break" as if you didnt watch how he won us the Giants game in week 17.

So both are false.

Even if this was true, what's your point? Had nothing to do with my post.

 

[erod]

We don't target up the seam, we dont even send receivers up there, that is playbook. He might not try right window throws up ththe seem, but he throws tight window throws in general all the time.

Lol "never before a receiver comes out of break" as if you didnt watch how he won us the Giants game in week 17.

Even if this was true, what's your point? Had nothing to do with my post.

Yes, we do. All the time. He just isn't interested in those throws.

And you're still hyperventilating over a late-season exhibition game than real quarterbacks wouldn't have even been risked to play in.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Qb's don't drop back and try and complete the hardest pass they can. Tight windows and throwing a receiver open are just buzz words that happen a small percentage of the time for all Qb's. Don't act like that's the norm around the NFL and like the "elite" or top 10 do that on a regular basis. They throw the biggest percentage to "wide" open guys.

Yep. And Dak threw tight window passes at the 7th highest rate in the league https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

So @erod is just making it up as he goes

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yes, we do. All the time. He just isn't interested in those throws.

And you're still hyperventilating over a late-season exhibition game than real quarterbacks wouldn't have even been risked to play in.

No we dont, you're just making stuff up still.

Lol so you admit you were wrong. And you're still trying to dismiss a game because it doesnt fit your narrative. SHOCKING

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yes, we do. All the time. He just isn't interested in those throws.

And you're still hyperventilating over a late-season exhibition game than real quarterbacks wouldn't have even been risked to play in.

@erod Dak doesnt make this particular throw

Me: Gives an example of that exact throw in an extremely pressured situation that was in one of most recent games

@erod omg you're still blah blah blah blah about the game

LMAO jeez this is why there are so many ignorant people on this forum. It's crazy

 

[erod]

Yep. And Dak threw tight window passes at the 7th highest rate in the league https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

So @erod is just making it up as he goes

Says the guy who has to look at a stat sheet to talk football.

 

[erod]

No we dont, you're just making stuff up still.

Lol so you admit you were wrong. And you're still trying to dismiss a game because it doesnt fit your narrative. SHOCKING

So that game meant everything to you, but those 15 consecutive quarters with only one touchdown never happened?

How many times are you determined to lose this thread?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Says the guy who has to look at a stat sheet to talk football.

Better than the guy who doesnt look at anything to talk football lmao

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

So that game meant everything to you, but those 15 consecutive quarters with only one touchdown never happened?

How many times are you determined to lose this thread?

YOUVE LOST EVERY SINGLE TIME

YOIVE BEEN EXPOSED WITH YOUR LYING AT LEAST FIVE TIMES IN THIS THREAD ALONE, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF

 

[CouchCoach]

The operative word with Prescott is consistency, he is not one of the more consistent passers and will miss the QB 101 throw as he did in LA to Gallup and Cooper and either pass is thrown where the receiver was going to be instead of right at him, could have been a difference maker. It does no good to beat the man across the middle if the ball is going to be thrown at the receiver instead of leading him so that he is headed downfield.

I have this friend that is an avid bird hunter and he excels at waterfowl and quail but the faster flying doves coming across are almost a sure miss. Romo was like that, threw more at the receiver instead of in front of him except when it was the bigger and slower Witten shielding the defender with his body.

That is a tough throw because the QB has to judge the speed of the receiver, and they do differ, with bodies moving in opposite directions. And many receivers have been set up for the kill shot by a QB leading him too much into danger.

Then there's those QB's like Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson that can just "flick' the ball with accuracy and speed but they're in the minority.

One thing I do like about Prescott's passing, he does have touch and some QB's can never get that down, trying to throw with touch throws off their timing and they throw more floaters and those are "oskie balls". He threw with touch in college because Dan Mullen taught him to do that well.

 

[Vtwin]

Qb's don't drop back and try and complete the hardest pass they can. Tight windows and throwing a receiver open are just buzz words that happen a small percentage of the time for all Qb's. Don't act like that's the norm around the NFL and like the "elite" or top 10 do that on a regular basis. They throw the biggest percentage to "wide" open guys.

This may be true to an extent but I think the point is that they can do it more successfully when it's necessary.

Brady's pass to Gronk that pretty much beat KC for example.

We watched Awuzie get "beat" multiple times this season by pinpoint passes to receivers he had pretty good position on.

 

[HungryLion]

No we dont, you're just making stuff up still.

Lol so you admit you were wrong. And you're still trying to dismiss a game because it doesnt fit your narrative. SHOCKING

That is erod’s style.

Ignore evidence posted by others and just talk about “his eye test” and what he thinks he sees.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

That is erod’s style.

Ignore evidence posted by others and just talk about “his eye test” and what he thinks he sees.

Yes sir.

Erod: Makes a claim about Dak
Me: Pulls up statistic that shows not only it's untrue, but that Dak is actually towards the top of said statistic.
Erod: says the guy who has to look up a stat sheet

LMAO it's unreal. Then he has this delusion that he is one on top!?!?!?!?! After being proven wrong repeatedly, and with us all laughing at him.

He lives in his own little universe that is abstract from fact. And we're even trying to help the guy by showing his flaws and letting him know that he's wrong to learn from it, but then he just doubles down on his dumbness.

At some point he's just going to have to realize that his eye test is worse than almost everyone else and he shouldn't rely on it, but should rely on others with much better eye tests.

 

[BleedinBlue]

This may be true to an extent but I think the point is that they can do it more successfully when it's necessary.

Brady's pass to Gronk that pretty much beat KC for example.

We watched Awuzie get "beat" multiple times this season by pinpoint passes to receivers he had pretty good position on.

Yeah and 2 passes to Hogan in the SB with tight coverage resulted in an int and almost one on the other.

 

[Vtwin]

That is erod’s style.

Ignore evidence posted by others and just talk about “his eye test” and what he thinks he sees.

Well, to be fair the evidence in this case is pretty weak.

That Giants game seems to be the only example Quincy can produce and that nextgen tight window stat really doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

 

[Vtwin]

Yeah and 2 passes to Hogan in the SB with tight coverage resulted in an int and almost one on the other.

Not sure how this relates to the point.

I don't think anyone expects perfection.