Mincey holding out

[Aven8]

He can't be serious.

What 6 sacks doesn't float your boat??

 

[AzorAhai]

they kinda can, it's called a cut

Thats sticking to the terms of the contract isn't it? A player gets all the guaranteed money thats in the contract. Can a team withhold that guaranteed money because a player didn't live up to expectations? Didn't think so.

 

[sbark]

is he also having "financial distress"? Might be a "virus" that effects the lockeroom........

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats sticking to the terms of the contract isn't it? A player gets all the guaranteed money thats in the contract. Can a team withhold that guaranteed money because a player didn't live up to expectations? Didn't think so.

Mincey was guaranteed $500k. NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

 

[Floatyworm]

buh-bye

yup.........

LDE- Russell Ryan/ D-Law

3T- Crawford/McClain

NT- Hayden/Bishop

RDE-Hardy/Gregory

Let's roll.......

 

[AtlCB]

they kinda can, it's called a cut

I believe the base salary for the year is guaranteed if the player is on the week 1 roster.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Hell no, cut him and sign Freeny. This guy thinks he's bruce Smith or something?

 

[jobberone]

I think it could hurt him as far as a roster spot. There are a lot of DEs on this roster. Ones with upside.

He's versatile in that he can play inside or out. I like Crawford, Mincey and Hardy to rotate at the 3 rush position. Hardy will play the 5 more so but the other two can play the 5 as well.

 

[Picksix]

Don't see this lasting too long. He knows he has stiff competition, but he also knows he's coming off a good comeback type season, and that this is likely his last shot at getting a better deal, and I don't really have a problem with this. He's a vet, who doesn't really need the full TC at this point. He takes a couple days to make his absence felt, make his point, and then eventually handles his business and makes his way to Oxnard.

 

[AzorAhai]

Mincey was guaranteed $500k. NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

No, but players negotiate a percentage of a deal to be guaranteed. When a deal is signed a team has to honor the terms of that deal. If the guaranteed money is 500k or 50 million. If a player hasn't received all of that money but the team feels he hasn't played up to expectations to warrant that, what options do they have? They can't withhold that guaranteed money. Sure they can cut him, but that guaranteed money is his.

Negotiate better. Play better. Bet on yourself with a 1 year deal. I'm not going to feel bad for a guy because a team wants him to honor a deal thats good for the team, just like every team has to honor that guaranteed money. If every time someone outperforms a contract they hold out and get more money it will set a horrible precedent for the team. One that Dez's agent will definitely be paying attention to when his guaranteed portion runs out.

Mincey only got 500k guaranteed for a reason and he has one decent season and now wants to holdout? Sorry but I don't feel sorry for him and completely understand why the team hasn't done anything with his deal.

 

[AsthmaField]

They need to sign Mince.

He has a lot going for him... well, he has all ten fingers.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Thats sticking to the terms of the contract isn't it? A player gets all the guaranteed money thats in the contract. Can a team withhold that guaranteed money because a player didn't live up to expectations? Didn't think so.

By definition you can't with hold something that has been paid. An owner can decide at any point that player x isn't worth the money and cut him, thus with holding any future payments. And if Mincey holds out more than a few days, we can go after the signing bonus. In the end, he's trying to make a statement and knows he has little leverage.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I believe the base salary for the year is guaranteed if the player is on the week 1 roster.

I doubt he reports to camp, only to not play in regular season games. Skipping those will cost him big time, if he doesn't, he won't be on the roster, he'll likely be on a reserved/retired list or something.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I seriously think we don't need him. I would rather see what the young DEs can do, especially Russell and Gardner.

I agreee. One of our youngsters will step up to the plate and fill in the void for Mincey. I honestly don't think he is irreplaceable and that I would go with someone who is younger and much hungrier to prove himself than him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You guys want to go into a season with nothing but rookies and young guys? Sell that to Romo and Witten. He played well last season. This is the curse of being a good team in this league. You have to pay up. Cowboys have it if they want to retain his services. The guy was solid last year and a leader for this defense whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

 

[AsthmaField]

I agreee. One of our youngsters will step up to the plate and fill in the void for Mincey. I honestly don't think he is irreplaceable and that I would go with someone who is younger and much hungrier to prove himself than him.

I agree. I like Mincey... but he is taking a pretty big chance here,

 

[ElGatoGrande]

So Brandon George is just finding this out now? or maybe nobody cared...

 

[AtlCB]

You guys want to go into a season with nothing but rookies and young guys? Sell that to Romo and Witten. He played well last season. This is the curse of being a good team in this league. You have to pay up. Cowboys have it if they want to retain his services. The guy was solid last year and a leader for this defense whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

It would depend on what Mincey is asking for. Lawrence is ready to go. The question is can the coaches get Randy Gregory ready to start?

 

[ccb04]

IIRC, Mincey has commented on how much he's enjoyed being in Dallas & playing for Marinelli & Garrett. At his age & given that he's set to hit free agency next offseason...he likely wants another couple of years added.

Don't think moving inside has anything to do with it, as Mincey himself has acknowledged that being able to play inside helped him stick around the league...and he's recorded about half of his career sacks playing on the inside. Marinelli also mentioned moving him inside during training camp last season, but injuries at DE (Spencer, Lawrence, Gardner), made that less feasible.

Plus side for Mincey: he's a versatile vet that hustles & had a decent season. Downsides include his age...plus the Boys having young guys like Lawrence, Gregory, Russell, Gardner, etc. Then add in Hardy. If the team decides to try to ink Crawford somewhat early & has plans to try to retain Hardy...I can't see them making any investment in Mincey. Then again, who knows? Perhaps Mincey/his agent view him as solid temporary safety net so to speak...should the Boys lose one or both of Hardy/Crawford next year, and also that Marinelli likes to use a rotation and for at least some of his guys to be versatile. Then there's which young guys reach their potential early...which take a bit of time...and which might not make it. But the Boys have some options now.

 

[AzorAhai]

By definition you can't with hold something that has been paid. An owner can decide at any point that player x isn't worth the money and cut him, thus with holding any future payments. And if Mincey holds out more than a few days, we can go after the signing bonus. In the end, he's trying to make a statement and knows he has little leverage.

In his particular case, yes the guaranteed money has been paid. For many other players thats not the case. A team is obligated to the terms of the contract. Nothing more, nothing less. A team has very little counter measures for the first few years on a lot of deals. Carr for example underperformed from the start, but the Cowboys couldn't withhold his pay because of that and I wouldn't expect them to. I'm not a fan of holdouts at all. Do a better deal and there should be no reason to holdout. He didn't think the deal was bad last season, yet now it doesn't work for him. Would he volunteer to give up a huge portion of a new deal if he got one and had a horrible year?

It sets a bad precedent to pay someone every time a player holds out. In this instance he has zero leverage because he makes so little, that fine and signing bonus would add up quickly and destroy his income this year. Giving in to these is a good way to end up with zero bargain contracts because everyone will want more when they feel underpaid.