Mincey holding out

[Galian Beast]

If I'm Dallas I do nothing with his contract. I talk to his agent and stress to them that they need to get their client into camp. He had a good year which is great, but it was one year. Replicate again then maybe we can talk. But I think Mincey knows more than likely this his last year in Dallas.

He thinks he can force them to cut him so he can get a pay day off of his year last year. Not going to happen.

 

[Stash]

He thinks he can force them to cut him so he can get a pay day off of his year last year. Not going to happen.

I sure hope not. But this team has buckled to players causing problems before.

See Jay Ratliff and Kyle Orton.

 

[Galian Beast]

I sure hope not. But this team has buckled to players causing problems before.

See Jay Ratliff and Kyle Orton.

I don't think that is what is happening here.

You have a player who can see the writing on the wall. The Cowboys have two young studs at defensive end, and brought in one of the premier defensive ends in the league...

That doesn't bode well for his playing time nor does it bode well for his future here in Dallas.

The combination of the two makes him want to try to eek out a longer term deal with Dallas while he has the most value that he has.

It's logical, the problem is that his leverage is completely gone. Requesting a trade probably would have been his best bet. There is simply no reason for the cowboys to extend him. He will be worth a lot less next year, especially after seeing limited playing time.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't think that is what is happening here.

You have a player who can see the writing on the wall. The Cowboys have two young studs at defensive end, and brought in one of the premier defensive ends in the league...

That doesn't bode well for his playing time nor does it bode well for his future here in Dallas.

The combination of the two makes him want to try to eek out a longer term deal with Dallas while he has the most value that he has.

It's logical, the problem is that his leverage is completely gone. Requesting a trade probably would have been his best bet. There is simply no reason for the cowboys to extend him. He will be worth a lot less next year, especially after seeing limited playing time.

Yea, unlike Ratliff and Orton, I think Mincey wants to be here, just wants to get paid more

 

[Stash]

I don't think that is what is happening here.

You have a player who can see the writing on the wall. The Cowboys have two young studs at defensive end, and brought in one of the premier defensive ends in the league...

That doesn't bode well for his playing time nor does it bode well for his future here in Dallas.

The combination of the two makes him want to try to eek out a longer term deal with Dallas while he has the most value that he has.

It's logical, the problem is that his leverage is completely gone. Requesting a trade probably would have been his best bet. There is simply no reason for the cowboys to extend him. He will be worth a lot less next year, especially after seeing limited playing time.

I don't have a problem giving him a slight raise and another year of financial security. I think his play and leadership last year proved that he's earned it. The problem comes with negotiating how much of a raise he deserves.

Considering the Cowboys have few proven defensive ends under contract next year, and Mincey has added value with his scheme fit and position flex, I would like to keep him around for another year.

But I would have to see the proposals being offered by each side to give a fully informed opinion on who I 'sided' with.

 

[Stash]

Yea, unlike Ratliff and Orton, I think Mincey wants to be here, just wants to get paid more

And I agree with you. And I would give him a bump in pay and another year of security. I think he's earned it.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't have a problem giving him a slight raise and another year of financial security. I think his play and leadership last year proved that he's earned it. The problem comes with negotiating how much of a raise he deserves.

Considering the Cowboys have few proven defensive ends under contract next year, and Mincey has added value with his scheme fit and position flex, I would like to keep him around for another year.

But I would have to see the proposals being offered by each side to give a fully informed opinion on who I 'sided' with.

You can't give all these players raises. Part of the reason why they are here is because they present good value.

We've got 3 players rated above him, and quite a few up and comers who could replace him with experience. He doesn't fit here long term or even medium term. He knows it, the front office knows it, and that is why he hasn't been given an extension.

He knows if he basically sits for a year with another year on his age, his value plummets.

It's a tough situation for him, but holding out probably won't help him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Yea, unlike Ratliff and Orton, I think Mincey wants to be here, just wants to get paid more

I don't even know if he wants more money, he might just want more years, to which we probably wouldn't be interested in.

 

[Bullflop]

I wouldn't say Mincey has no leverage whatsoever but the presence of pass rushers like Gregory and D-Law certainly makes his presence less crucial. The Cowboys first four games being minus Hardy might lend a little something in the way of a need for his presence, surely for those four games, though. I believe it might be wise to offer him a modest raise in his contract in the hopes he'll see fit to stick around. If that doesn't prove to be good enough, they'll likely decide whether or not to take their chances without him. It remains to be seen.

 

[CATCH17]

I hope we don't lose him.

I kinda expected to see him as a D Tackle in passing situations.

 

[Galian Beast]

I wouldn't say Mincey has no leverage whatsoever but the influx of pass rushers like Gregory and D-Law certainly makes his presence less crucial. The Cowboys first four games being minus Hardy might lend a little something in the way of a need for his presence, surely for those four games, though. I believe it might be prudent to offer him a modest raise in his contract in the hopes he'll see fit to stick around. If that doesn't prove attractive enough, perhaps they'll decide to take their chances without him. That remains to be seen, however.

He doesn't have leverage because we have a slew of players who can go without him in a rotation. The downside for him is much larger than it is for us. He skips 2-4 games, and he is dropping serious money with no upside. Further hurts his total snaps for the year, and makes him look like a malcontent.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't even know if he wants more money, he might just want more years, to which we probably wouldn't be interested in.

Probably both. Years without guaranteed money doesn't help, and actually is a worse situation to be in.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It's a tough situation for him, but holding out probably won't help him.

A lengthy holdout likely won't. But I'd say there is a very slim chance he no shows next week

 

[Stash]

You can't give all these players raises. Part of the reason why they are here is because they present good value.

No, but like Scandrick, you can make exceptions and reward players who outperform their contracts.

We've got 3 players rated above him, and quite a few up and comers who could replace him with experience. He doesn't fit here long term or even medium term. He knows it, the front office knows it, and that is why he hasn't been given an extension.

Right now, I see exactly one player, and he's suspended for the first 4 games of the season.

He knows if he basically sits for a year with another year on his age, his value plummets.

It's a tough situation for him, but holding out probably won't help him.

I certainly can't see him sitting for long. But I hope he and the team can work something out.

 

[Bullflop]

He doesn't have leverage because we have a slew of players who can go without him in a rotation. The downside for him is much larger than it is for us. He skips 2-4 games, and he is dropping serious money with no upside. Further hurts his total snaps for the year, and makes him look like a malcontent.

I disagree. He has at least a moderate amount of leverage that might well justify a modest raise in his salary. In any event, that's something for the FO to determine. If they decided to go in either direction, I could live with it. He could prove quite valuable as a DT rushman in that capacity as well as at DE. The FO will decide his fate.

 

[robjay04]

He just posted on social media 3 days ago how he was in training camp mood or something like that. He won't be gone for long. I don't think he will command or get that much of a raise, he is not the 4th best DE on the team and who is to say he will not be this years George Selvie? I don't think he is but I also didn't see Selvie having such a drop off last season.

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

Don't want.

 

[Bullflop]

He just posted on social media 3 days ago how he was in training camp mood or something like that. He won't be gone for long. I don't think he will command or get that much of a raise, he is not the 4th best DE on the team and who is to say he will not be this years George Selvie? I don't think he is but I also didn't see Selvie having such a drop off last season.

He had six sacks at DE last season -- I would say it's nothing to sneeze at. He has good value at DE and DT.

 

[robjay04]

He had six sacks at DE last season -- I wouldn't exactly say that's nothing to sneeze at. He has value at DE and DT.

Selvie had 7 in 2013 and fell off the following year. Once again, I am not saying they are the same player but it is fair to at least compare them.

 

[Bullflop]

Selvie had 7 in 2013 and fell off the following year. Once again, I am not saying they are the same player but it is fair to at least compare them.

I see no real need to draw a comparison there -- they each have their own values. However, if we must, Selvie wasn't likely to be adept as a DT, while Mincey has the heft and quickness to be valuable at both the DE and DT positions. I see no problem in granting Mincey a modest raise to keep him around. He's at the very least good depth if nothing else. Injuries are known to happen, after all. I think the front office will make the proper decision, whatever they decide, though.