Mincey holding out

[Teague31]

Don't negotiate with him. If you do 5 others will sit out to get a new deal also. Tell him if he wants to talk $ he better be at camp

 

[robjay04]

I see no real need to draw a comparison there -- they each have their own values. However, if we must, Selvie wasn't likely to be adept as a DT, while Mincey has the heft and quickness to be valuable at both the DE and DT positions. I see no problem in granting Mincey a modest raise to keep him around. He's at the very least good depth if nothing else. Injuries are known to happen, after all. I think the front office will make the proper decision, whatever they decide, though.

I agree 100%

The raise would have to be "modest" and he needs to be at camp next week to even make it possible.

 

[Bullflop]

I agree 100%.

The raise would have to be "modest" and he needs to be at camp next week to even make it possible.

Sounds like a winner. Mincey shouldn't push his luck -- the Joneses might see to it that he's properly compensated once they get together with their advisors on the staff and arrive at a workable solution. We'll soon see.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, not a fan of them at all. Its not relevant here, but the original post thats what I was referring to. Owners have no means to get out of honoring guarantees, yet when a player doesn't have any left or feels underpaid it's acceptable to hold out and many people side with the player. You don't see players jumping at paycuts even without guaranteed money left, and I can't ever recall a player giving up guaranteed money, so why should a team jump to pay someone more because they outperformed a contract or they don't feel secure without guarantees? Particularly a player like Mincey who's on a FA deal. It's not like his hands were tied by a rookie wage scale. He and his agent agreed to it so honor the contract.

Now if the Cowboys and Mincey had mutual interest in a new deal I would have been ok with them working one out. If nothing could get done, show up and earn better leverage next season, be it here or somewhere else.

What you (still) fail Yo understand about NFL contracts is that holdouts are a negotiated tactic that players have every right to employ.

Just as the team has every right to fine him 30k a day and eventually gonafter some signing bonus money.

You keep saying Mincey should honor his contract. He is. He is exercising a specific right he holds. Who are you to demand he do otherwise?

The world is not black and white as you see it. It is many shades of grey with some color mixed in too.

 

[tm1119]

So Mincey really thinks he's worth over $4M per year? Is he high? Cut him and lets see if any team guarantees him over $2M for this year. I doubt it. At best I'd give him some incentives to try and achieve. Throw him another million if he gets 6+ sacks or something.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I dont blame him at his age, but I would not pay an almost 32 Y/O one year wonder.

A George Selvie scenario would not be a fair possibility for Mincey, hate hold outs but this time I think it's warranted as well. Can't blame him.

 

[Bullflop]

So Mincey really thinks he's worth over $4M per year? Is he high? Cut him and lets see if any team guarantees him over $2M for this year. I doubt it. At best I'd give him some incentives to try and achieve. Throw him another million if he gets 6+ sacks or something.

Definitely some food for thought here. I'd be solidly in favor of that incentives idea -- good stuff.

 

[Stash]

So Mincey really thinks he's worth over $4M per year? Is he high? Cut him and lets see if any team guarantees him over $2M for this year. I doubt it. At best I'd give him some incentives to try and achieve. Throw him another million if he gets 6+ sacks or something.

Where are you seeing any mention of $4 million? I haven't seen that.

 

[CATCH17]

It also doesn't help him that it looks like we stole another quality player in Ryan Russell in the 5th round.

 

[tm1119]

Where are you seeing any mention of $4 million? I haven't seen that.

Nah that's my bad. I glanced at the Fisher article without thinking. I mistakenly thought the $3M was for this year and not the total over 2 years....Still, what's he really going for by holding out? Hoping that he gets another million by not going to camp? Just seems like a pointless play from an average player who already got cut once for allegedly not being a team 1st guy.

 

[Bullflop]

Nah that's my bad. I glanced at the Fisher article without thinking. I mistakenly thought the $3M was for this year and not the total over 2 years....Still, what's he really going for by holding out? Hoping that he gets another million by not going to camp? Just seems like a pointless play from an average player who already got cut once for allegedly not being a team 1st guy.

On second thought, one mil and a half per year on average isn't exactly overly generous for what Mincey appears to offer. I'd consider giving him at least a moderate raise to keep him in tow. He likely has some worthwhile value for this team over and above what he's currently being paid.

 

[Stash]

Nah that's my bad. I glanced at the Fisher article without thinking. I mistakenly thought the $3M was for this year and not the total over 2 years....Still, what's he really going for by holding out? Hoping that he gets another million by not going to camp? Just seems like a pointless play from an average player who already got cut once for allegedly not being a team 1st guy.

In a way, I can't blame him. He's nearing the end of his career and has outplayed his contract. If he can get another million or so before he's eventually done, I'd give it to him. I would pay him $1 million more for this season and add on another year at his current rate.

 

[aikemirv]

On second thought, one mil and a half per isn't exactly overly generous for what Mincey seems to offer. I'd consider giving him at least a moderate raise to keep him in tow. He definitely has some worthwhile value for this team.

I would not give him anything more. If he can't play out his 2 year deal then go sit on your couch for the season and try to get a deal from someone next year.

 

[Bullflop]

I would not give him anything more. If he can't play out his 2 year deal then go sit on your couch for the season and try to get a deal from someone next year.

Yeah, that'll teach him a lesson to make any attempt to get what he's very likely worth. Play hardball.

 

[darthseinfeld]

26 sacks in 8 seasons. A little over 3 a year

 

[Bullflop]

26 sacks in 8 seasons. A little over 3 a year

Seems to me like what he did for Dallas last year ought to count for something. That's what's important now. At least, give him some incentives, if nothing else.

 

[Stash]

Seems to me like what he did for Dallas last year ought to count for something. That's what's important now.

It's what's important to me.

 

[BlindFaith]

I don't think he is but I also didn't see Selvie having such a drop off last season.

I did and said so. Selvie was a JAG. He was the best DE on an awful defense. That doesn't make him good. He's gone.

Mincey is a JAG. He was the best DE - until Lawrence came back - on a below average defense. That doesn't make him good. Should be gone.

Hardy, Lawrence, Gregory, Russell, Gardner all are either much better or have potential to be much better than Mincey. As a pure DE, he's hard pressed to not get cut. As a guy who can play inside, he has a chance of sticking simply because we don't have a lot of inside guys who can rush the passer. McClain is meh. Jack Crawford flashed some ability but got hurt. I'd keep him over Mincey. Whaley hasn't shown much, but we'll see. Hayden/Bishop offer nothing rushing the passer. Doesn't leave us much.

 

[Risen Star]

This is like watching the deaf kid dance.

 

[Bullflop]

This is like watching the deaf kid dance.

LOL -- Good point. Maybe we'd best leave it up to the FO to decide what's best. Yeah, that's the ticket (I think).