MJ vs Elvis Who will be remember as the biggest icon?

[Avaj]

Who ever said Elvis is the best Gospel singer ever earlier hasn't heard of Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers.

or Mahalia Jackson

 

[ZB9]

Who ever said Elvis is the best Gospel singer ever earlier hasn't heard of Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers.

LOL just to clarify...I meant Elvis is MY favorite gospel singer

but I love Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers also. I have a lot of gospel music in my collection...everyone from Yolanda Adams to Ray Charles to BJ Thomas

 

[ethiostar]

LOL just to clarify...I meant Elvis is MY favorite gospel singer

but I love Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers also. I have a lot of gospel music in my collection...everyone from Yolanda Adams to Ray Charles to BJ Thomas

Sorry for the misunderstanding. :

 

[ethiostar]

or Mahalia Jackson

Absolutely wonderful.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Who ever said Elvis is the best Gospel singer ever earlier hasn't heard of Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers.

Ethio, I have to somewhat disagree because it is a matter of taste.

Personally, I believe Al Green and Sam Cooke were the best, but I could understand why someone would say Elvis or someone else was the best as it is a matter of taste.

I was booooorrrnn by the rivvverrr...duh duh...in a little tint and just like the river I've been ruuuunnin ever since...

That's some good stuff right there.

 

[ethiostar]

Ethio, I have to somewhat disagree because it is a matter of taste.

Personally, I believe Al Green and Sam Cooke were the best, but I could understand why someone would say Elvis or someone else was the best as it is a matter of taste.

I was booooorrrnn by the rivvverrr...duh duh...in a little tint and just like the river I've been ruuuunnin ever since...

That's some good stuff right there.

I agree 100%. I've since corrected that misunderstanding.

Awesome song btw.

 

[tomson75]

:laugh2:

It's a funny notion that someone would have a conversation with a music historian about Elvis' influence on rap and that you make it seem like you've heard or been apart of this conversation multiple times. It's even funnier that you use this to support your stance.

Laugh all you want...it won't make any of your asumptions seem any less intelligent. Would it make you laugh even harder if I were to tell you that I've had this discussion with James Farmer in attendence? Or would you not even know who that is? Stupid people make stupid assumptions.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

OK. I can see why you would say what you did. To me, Civil Rights didn't get wide spread support by White America until the 60s but it is a fair statement to say that Civil Rights also played a role.

The difference to me was the fact that early Civil Rights efforts were hard fought and not widely accepted in many cases. Music was something that took hold with the younger White Americans of the period and found acceptance with not much resistance. A more peaceful path to success for that certain segment of Americans. Now the older ones, not so much. That's true.

I agreed.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Any news on Senegalese jeri curls?

Nah, she and her hubby just had a baby about 6 months ago, so she isn't on all that much after about 1 PM CST. I will talk to her tomorrow and ask her if the Senegalese or Tamil wore Jheri Curls.

She had me laughing when she told me her mother-in-law called her all the way from Sri Lanka to ask about Mike .

 

[Cajuncowboy]

:laugh2:

It's a funny notion that someone would have a conversation with a music historian about Elvis' influence on rap and that you make it seem like you've heard or been apart of this conversation multiple times. It's even funnier that you use this to support your stance.

I have spoken with many music historians. Some right here in Nashville. I had a nationally syndicated radio program for over 7 years before moving to artist promotions. When the talk turns to where today's music comes from, almost without exception, Elvis is credited with opening the door for what you hear today.

I have talked with everyone from late Dottie Rambo (a legend in Gospel music) to Dolly Parton, Charlie Daniels, Billy Ray Cyrus and more. They all speak of the influence and the ground breaking sound of Elvis Presley.

THe thing about Elvis was his appeal to many genres of music, Rock, R&B, Country, Gospel etc. If you spoke with any music historian prior to Jackson's death they would tell you that Elvis was the single most influential artist in music because of his reach and draw.

Elvis certainly influenced what you hear today, whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He did?? How? You think all those white kids who packed his concerts in the early 80s were out-and-proud Elvis fans? Far more white teens were dancing to Chubby Checker's "Twist" than black teens were to "Hound Dog."

you don't get it, the type of music Elvis was doing was the same type of music black musicians were doing

Elvis brought it into the mainstream, and after awhile, it became accepted, and even embraced, you think a black musician is going to come before a white man, weather the shock and awe his type of music brings to the scene, not only weather it, but have it blossom? in the '50s and '60s?

yeah, Michael came in a time where blacks embraced whites, and viceversa, laregly brought about by Elvis way before his time

 

[Cajuncowboy]

you don't get it, the type of music Elvis was doing was the same type of music black musicians were doing

Elvis brought it into the mainstream, and after awhile, it became accepted, and even embraced, you think a black musician is going to come before a white man, weather the shock and awe his type of music brings to the scene, not only weather it, but have it blossom? in the '50s and '60s?

yeah, Michael came in a time where blacks embraced whites, and viceversa, laregly brought about by Elvis way before his time

Sam Phillips who ran Sun Records said after hearing Elvis that he found a white guy with a black sound. In the early days, many people who heard the song "That's Alright Mama" and the B side "Blue Moon of Kentucky" had no idea Elvis was white. As a matter of fact, some stations refused to play his music because they thought he was black. Of course that's the way it was at that time in the south, but it also explains why Elvis had such a draw with black audiences early in his career. It was a sound they identified with because Elvis himself was influenced by black music.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sam Phillips who ran Sun Records said after hearing Elvis that he found a white guy with a black sound. In the early days, many people who heard the song "That's Alright Mama" and the B side "Blue Moon of Kentucky" had no idea Elvis was white. As a matter of fact, some stations refused to play his music because they thought he was black. Of course that's the way it was at that time in the south, but it also explains why Elvis had such a draw with black audiences early in his career. It was a sound they identified with because Elvis himself was influenced by black music.

I thought he didn't have a black audience

well, according to bbgun's un-founded doubts that is

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I thought he didn't have a black audience

well, according to bbgun's un-founded doubts that is

Elvis had a tremendous following in the black community. Early on they thought he was black, as did many people listening on the radio. Until he made his first TV appearance. His appeal was so far reaching he was given (but ultimately turned down) for the Grand Ole Opry. They didn't like his gyrations. He eventually ended up on the Opry's competition, The Louisiana Hayride. All while he was making major impacts on the genre of Rock.

 

[Avaj]

Sam Phillips who ran Sun Records said after hearing Elvis that he found a white guy with a black sound. In the early days, many people who heard the song "That's Alright Mama" and the B side "Blue Moon of Kentucky" had no idea Elvis was white. As a matter of fact, some stations refused to play his music because they thought he was black. Of course that's the way it was at that time in the south, but it also explains why Elvis had such a draw with black audiences early in his career. It was a sound they identified with because Elvis himself was influenced by black music.

Thank you for saying that.

 

[bbgun]

you don't get it, the type of music Elvis was doing was the same type of music black musicians were doing

Yes, we've already established that he borrowed heavily from the black (musical) community.

Elvis brought it into the mainstream, and after awhile, it became accepted, and even embraced, you think a black musician is going to come before a white man, weather the shock and awe his type of music brings to the scene, not only weather it, but have it blossom? in the '50s and '60s?

This implies that rock 'n' roll is inherently black or something. It's not. And the notion that Elvis alone "mainstreamed" it is ridiculous. Artists such as Buddy Holly and Bill Haley were just as influential, and indeed Haley beat him to the punch during rock's formative years. Ed Sullivan was concerned not because Elvis was some sort of emissary for black music, but rather that his "moves and gyrations" on stage were overtly sexual.

yeah, Michael came in a time where blacks embraced whites, and viceversa, laregly brought about by Elvis way before his time

Um, no. White kids think it's the height of hipness to embrace rappers and such. Conversely, you'll see damn few black fans waiting in line for Springsteen or Rolling Stones tickets.

 

[bbgun]

I thought he didn't have a black audience

well, according to bbgun's un-founded doubts that is

Still reading-deficient, I see. Good luck with that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, we've already established that he borrowed heavily from the black (musical) community.



This implies that rock 'n' roll is inherently black or something. It's not. And the notion that Elvis alone "mainstreamed" it is ridiculous. Artists such as Buddy Holly and Bill Haley were just as influential, and indeed Haley beat him to the punch during rock's formative years.

but Elvis was the "it" guy

and Michael Jackson didn't mainstream his music alone either, he had Prince too

Ed Sullivan was concerned not because Elvis was some sort of emissary for black music, but rather that his "moves and gyrations" on stage were overtly sexual.

Elvis' moves and gyrations plus his music weren't the norm, they all played a part in Ed's hesitancy to bring him on the show, up until that point, Elvis' music wasn't "white" music, it was foreign

Um, no. White kids think it's the height of hipness to embrace rappers and such. Conversely, you'll see damn few black fans waiting in line for Springsteen or Rolling Stones tickets.

black people's limited range of musical tastes (not all blacks, just the ones that can't appreciate any music that isn't rap or R/B) is not the point

we're talking about Elvis and Michael's ability to transcend the white market

it wasn't cool to listen to music and appreciate music that borrowed from black music during Elvis' day, like it was during Michael's day

btw, the only concert I have attended was a Death Cab for Cutie concert, does that make DC4C my favority band? hell no, I went with a chick because she paid for it

Still reading-deficient, I see. Good luck with that.

I'm not reading deficient, you are assuming Elvis didn't have a black following, while a person that was in the music biz, and saw it, says that is indeed the case

 

[5Stars]

I believe I've given credit for Elvis for his impact on bringing different genres to the mainstream.

But I do view the music from back then as separate genres, because they're still separate genres to this day. There was some cross-over, but overall they didn't mix. Elvis brought it altogether and gained widespread popularity over it.

I'd be really interested in how Elvis impacted rap and hip-hop? What song can you point to where someone could say, I could see how that might have influenced the rap/hip-hop communtiy?

The reason why I ask is because I can't think of any hip-hop song from the early 70s until now that would sound like it was influenced by music from Elvis.

It does not have to just be music...and this all goes back to the "crotch grabbing" that hip-hop artists like to do. Elvis made that acceptable to a certain extent.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It does not have to just be music...and this all goes back to the "crotch grabbing" that hip-hop artists like to do. Elvis made that acceptable to a certain extent.

rock and roll influenced rap because of the drum section being more pronounced, the rhythm and beat section if you will