Murray is in decline

Clearly you've only been looking at the stats of Murray in Philly and not the actual game play. Murray isn't getting any yards, because the Philly OL is freaking AWFUL.

When you're consistently getting tackled for a loss, that means you don't have any blocking whatsoever!

Correct. So Murray is the type of back that needs big holes to run through. He cant do it on his own.

Wow, what a revelation. That is exactly what many of us said about Murray and EXACTLY why he wasnt worth the money.

So basically you are saying its about the Oline correct?..................EXACTLY.
 
It absolutely blows my mind that they got rid of McCoy. He was the perfect t running back for that type of system, with all of it's stretch plays and sweeps.

I couldnt agree more. McCoy is way better than Murray.

And people need to stop saying system. It has NOTHING to do with the system. Its about the Oline. Philly doesnt have one and we do.
 
No, Murray just isnt as good as you thought. And certainly the situation in Dallas has changed has it not?

If Murray was so good, then why cant he do anything in Philly? Your argument simply doesnt hold water.

The situation is EXACTLY as some have told you. Murray was ONLY good in Dallas for ONE year because he got 400 carries behind an incredible line in an incredible offense. Now that he doesnt have that, he is toast. And the Philly fans are reeling at the contract.

Your lack of football understanding doesn't hold water. It's hard to tell if you are serious.
Check what Murray did the previous years in Dallas before we had this line....good luck explaining away how Muray could average 5 YPC behind an average line.

So I guess a running back should be able to break waves of defenders who meet him at the ball?
You are just messing with us right? Do you really not understand football to this degree.

The bottom line is Murray was lethal behind our line...Randle and Dmac are not. If you put Dmac and Randle on the Eagles they do the same as Murray has with the Eagles.. If you put Murray on the Cowboys he would stil be able to produce. Nothing has changed but the backs. And the results.

I'm not writing our run game off either. It can still be very good. But being honest if I could trade Murray for Randle and McFadden I would in a second.
 
Correct. So Murray is the type of back that needs big holes to run through. He cant do it on his own.

Wow, what a revelation. That is exactly what many of us said about Murray and EXACTLY why he wasnt worth the money.

So basically you are saying its about the Oline correct?..................EXACTLY.

Emmitt in his prime couldn't have rushed with the Eagles OL. Though, I'm done with this conversation with you. Clearly, you have no intention of seeing the light.
 
I couldnt agree more. McCoy is way better than Murray.

And people need to stop saying system. It has NOTHING to do with the system. Its about the Oline. Philly doesnt have one and we do.

So now you contradict yourself? Wait....so it's the offensive line? I thought it was because Murray sucked? You just said it was and now you are blaming the OL of the Eagles?

You can't even keep your opinions straight.
 
It absolutely blows my mind that they got rid of McCoy. He was the perfect running back for that type of system, with all of it's stretch plays and sweeps. Chip is an idiot, and I love it


Well last year their running game and passing games did all that sideways stuff and then they would hit you up the middle with an isolation and it was killing teams.


This year it's just all sideways.. That's why I thought Murray would do well there because he could hammer up the middle when the defense was in sideline to sideline mentality.
 
Regardless of what you think about Murray... At the very minimum you have to agree he is not a 8 million dollar a year running back.

I agree 100%.and I'm glad the Cowboys didn't give it to him. I just think both parties would be better off had he taken the 4-5 mil the Cowboys offered.
 
It just seemed to me that they did a lot of pulling along the offensive line, we'd just shoot the gaps they vacated and Murray wasn't fast enough to get to the edge to avoid them.
 
So now you contradict yourself? Wait....so it's the offensive line? I thought it was because Murray sucked? You just said it was and now you are blaming the OL of the Eagles?

You can't even keep your opinions straight.

No, you are just a little poor at comprehension. And when you have to lie to make a point, its clear your just a little cry baby. Never said Murray sucked.
 
I think the thinking on both sides is right and wrong. Murray is not on his downside but needs a very specific offense for him to be effective. He needs north/south running routes. He needs to have a significant running start meaning he does not accelerate very well and he's not a dodger/slasher, he's a punisher. He also catches well out of the back field which is where I thought he would excel with Phili. DC had the perfect game plan, while their guards and tackles pulled, we shot the gaps and not give Murray any room to start. By the time he took the handoff, lanes were sealed off and Sean Lee and CO were wrapping him up.
Lastly, without a passing game, and good line blocking, he was a sitting duck. Personally I think Murray is good but it's the system that makes him much better and he's in the wrong system for sure. If he came back to DC he would be good but not like last year given our circumstances. Our Oline's timing is out of sync and passing game is struggling because of injuries. Some RB's can fit in a lot of systems, Murray can fit in some like...Dallas, Pitts, Wash to think of a few. He's not done, just need the right system.
 
He's not in decline he's a bad fit for that offense, but by the end of three seasons he will be in decline
 
Well last year their running game and passing games did all that sideways stuff and then they would hit you up the middle with an isolation and it was killing teams.


This year it's just all sideways.. That's why I thought Murray would do well there because he could hammer up the middle when the defense was in sideline to sideline mentality.

What sideways stuff? Sweeps? The Eagles run the ball more than any team in the NFL. And that is what Kelly wants to do. And he knows he needs a stable of backs if your going to run the ball. Something that the Cowboys brass obviously doesnt get. Kelly knew what he was getting in Murray he simply doesnt have the Oline to pull it off. His two guards is a lower round rookie and street FA. Those guys are getting destroyed. If you dont have an Oline you struggle.

Just take a look at what is going on over in Denver. They Oline has fallen apart and Manning has been struggling and they cant run the ball anymore.
 
It just seemed to me that they did a lot of pulling along the offensive line, we'd just shoot the gaps they vacated and Murray wasn't fast enough to get to the edge to avoid them.

The Philadelphia OL sucked last year. It got worse.
 
It just seemed to me that they did a lot of pulling along the offensive line, we'd just shoot the gaps they vacated and Murray wasn't fast enough to get to the edge to avoid them.

Yah, I agree he isnt fast enough. But he runs up the middle arent working either.
 
No, you are just a little poor at comprehension. And when you have to lie to make a point, its clear your just a little cry baby. Never said Murray sucked.

It's obvious that you have trouble expressing yourself like an adult.
So you point to Murray looking awful in philly as proof that it was the best move we ever made to let him leave.
Then you say it has nothing to do with anything but the offensive line and philly doesn't have one...

So which one is it?

Is this your normal posting style? Do you always resort to name calling when you get called contradicting yourself?

Your post are all over the place so it's hard to even know if you know how you feel.
 
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Yah, they are really loving his style in Philly. LOL

I live in the philly area and have been listening and they actually are still happy they have Murray. It seems some of the philly fans are smarter than you. They realize they have some serious holes on the offensive line.
 
Crawford or Murray? Not even close. Who is easier to replace? People said anyone could run behind this line...turns out it isn't that easy. Our line had a style that was perfect fit for Murray and vise versa. .

You are forgetting about Dez. Who is easier to replace there? Also, the cap implications continue. We will eventually need to lock-up our o-line, Williams is up next season, etc. We simply can take a 8 mil + cap hit for an RB.
 
It just seemed to me that they did a lot of pulling along the offensive line, we'd just shoot the gaps they vacated and Murray wasn't fast enough to get to the edge to avoid them.

Great observation. The up the middle runs were pretty bad when they played the Falcons yet they were able to get some production pulling to the outside. We guessed right that they would keep trying that and we were waiting for it.

I don't think it would have mattered if it was Murray or McCoy last night. The plays where they pull guards to the outside requires the RB to show enough patience to let his linemen get in front of him. It wasn't just pitches to the outside where the RB could use speed to get the edge.
 
It's obvious that you have trouble expressing yourself like an adult.
So you point to Murray looking awful in philly as proof that it was the best move we ever made to let him leave.
Then you say it has nothing to do with anything but the offensive line and philly doesn't have one...

So which one is it?

Is this your normal posting style? Do you always resort to name calling when you get called contradicting yourself?

Your post are all over the place so it's hard to even know if you know how you feel.

As soon as you pull up the post where I said Murray sucks and it has "nothing to do with anything but the oline" then we can talk like adults.

If you want to have a rational conversation, the speaking rationally would help.
 

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