My open letter to Jim Reeves at FWST...

[Cochese]

Yes, Gruden did and how did the team respond to his tight ship methods? They eventually ran him out of town basically. Since then despite the windfall of draft picks they got from Tampa they can't do squat. They go get high priced Free Agents and they fail too.

The players only respond to the message sent. In Oakland that message was, too much discipline is a bad thing.

Since when is getting run out of town equal to getting traded for two 1st round picks and 8 million in cash?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not equal in nature.

Bill Belichick comparisons, like that's supposed to mean anything? c'mon now

 

[StanleySpadowski]

How do you explain...New Orleans and the Bengals...recent teams?

Same ownership, both teams known for being terrible for years.

Now...much more respected, although NOLA still needs to see if it can maintain that.

Look..I understand Washington and the Raiders...but the bottom line is he did not pan out there.

That old line of Bills that so many like to throw back into his face....you are what you are, talking about your record.

NO turned around because they were always a decent team that was held back by really crappy QB play. They rolled the dice on Brees and hit it big.

Cincinatti runs in cycles. They get a good QB -Kenny Anderson -Boomer Esiason - Carson Palmer- and they're a decent team. They also made a deal with the devil hoping that Marvin Lewis could hold a collection of felons together long enough for them to win it all. It appears to be falling apart at the seams.

 

[Hostile]

How do you explain...New Orleans and the Bengals...recent teams?

Same ownership, both teams known for being terrible for years.

Now...much more respected, although NOLA still needs to see if it can maintain that.

Look..I understand Washington and the Raiders...but the bottom line is he did not pan out there.

That old line of Bills that so many like to throw back into his face....you are what you are, talking about your record.

I am so glad you asked.

Correct me if I am wrong but the re-birth (or birth) of those teams as contenders...did it somehow coincide with a dramatic improvement in the level of play at QB?

Hmm.


Jerry's hope (goal, intent, focus, obsession, whatever) with Norv? I do believe his name is Tony Romo. Been calling it priority one I believe.

I see that. That is why I can't bash Norv in this situation. He's not the HC I want, but I see the intent and I find it honorable and even smart. Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it or even like it. But I understand it.

 

[Hostile]

Bill Belichick comparisons, like that's supposed to mean anything? c'mon now

I made a Belichick comparison?

When?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I made a Belichick comparison?

When?

not you, just giving you a glimpse of some of the crap I'm hearing from the Turner PR camp

 

[DLCassidy]

But the witch hunt to discredit him is ridiculous to the point of absurd.

Witch hunt? I don't think so. More like telling it like it is. BTW, not many would be wasting much bandwidth talking about Norv if he were not considered a/the front runner for the job.

A lot of people that hate Parcells seem to be gleeful about Norv's potential arrival (not talking about you here Hos). That's the part most of us are struggling to understand. Parcells fell short here but as bad as the Oakland situation was when Norv got there I think big Bill would have found a way to win more than 9 games in 2 years. noone can prove that of course but if you watched the Raiders play at all you'd see a team NOT BEING LED. The idea is to move forwards not backwards. Norv is backwards. If stating that makes it a witch hunt, sign me up.

 

[Hostile]

Since when is getting run out of town equal to getting traded for two 1st round picks and 8 million in cash?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make or what exactly it is you are asking me. It was more than two 1sts and 8 large BTW.

 

[Hostile]

not you, just giving you a glimpse of some of the crap I'm hearing from the Turner PR camp

I'm not in the Turner PR Camp, so how can I answer this?

Not trying to duck your question, I just don't see how it is relevant to my arguments here. Attack what I am saying, not what someone else is.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not in the Turner PR Camp, so how can I answer this?

Not trying to duck your question, I just don't see how it is relevant to my arguments here. Attack what I am saying, not what someone else is.

I'm just saying, you said that the witchhunt was absurd, and I responded that don't you think the excuse making is too? and you said the witchhunt was moreso, and I gave you an example of how the excuse making has gone way beyond the absurd

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Witch hunt? I don't think so. More like telling it like it is. BTW, not many would be wasting much bandwidth talking about Norv if he were not considered a/the front runner for the job.

A lot of people that hate Parcells seem to be gleeful about Norv's potential arrival (not talking about you here Hos). That's the part most of us are struggling to understand. Parcells fell short here but as bad as the Oakland situation was when Norv got there I think big Bill would have found a way to win more than 9 games in 2 years. noone can prove that of course but if you watched the Raiders play at all you'd see a team NOT BEING LED. The idea is to move forwards not backwards. Norv is backwards. If stating that makes it a witch hunt, sign me up.

I'm one of the people most happy that Parcells is gone but I really don't care about Turner one way or the other. I simply want a coach that has to prove he can win football games rather than a coach that needed to prove to the mortgage company that he had sufficient income.

Give me anyone with a hunger and I'm happy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm one of the people most happy that Parcells is gone but I really don't care about Turner one way or the other. I simply want a coach that has to prove he can win football games rather than a coach that needed to prove to the mortgage company that he had sufficient income.

Give me anyone with a hunger and I'm happy.

don't you think 59-83-1 is proof enough that Norval can't win football games?

15-33 for Campo?

 

[Hostile]

Witch hunt? I don't think so. More like telling it like it is. BTW, not many would be wasting much bandwidth talking about Norv if he were not considered a/the front runner for the job.

A lot of people that hate Parcells seem to be gleeful about Norv's potential arrival (not talking about you here Hos). That's the part most of us are struggling to understand. Parcells fell short here but as bad as the Oakland situation was when Norv got there I think big Bill would have found a way to win more than 9 games in 2 years. noone can prove that of course but if you watched the Raiders play at all you'd see a team NOT BEING LED. The idea is to move forwards not backwards. Norv is backwards. If stating that makes it a witch hunt, sign me up.

Maybe Bill would have. I don't know. Maybe he wouldn't have lasted 1 year, like Shell. Again, I don't know.

I am one who is happy Parcells is gone. I feel his teams under achieved.

I don't believe that Norv is necessarily the answer, but I can't honestly sit here and say for 100% certainty that we will regress if he gets the gig.

I happen to think if Assistant Coaches are given assignments and entrusted with them that the team can learn. That equals growth.

Truth be told Parcells bailed out at the wrong time IMO. I respect his decision and even applaud it in a way.

People constantly want to compare him to Campo. They talk about how we have much better talent now than we did in the Campo years, and thank you Bill. I agree with that. We do have better talent now.

Can you explain to me why Parcells had better success with Campo's team than with the one he built?

I can. It's called suffocating it.

 

[CATCH17]

Norv has 8 years as a Head Coach in the NFL to compile that .412 winning % with bad teams.

Tom Landry started with bad teams. In his first 8 years as an NFL Head Coach he compiled a 44-61-5 record. This is a .419 winning %. The next year with a much better team he went 12-2.

Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Note to the over sensitive...I am not comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry. He isn't fit to stand in the man's shadow. I know this, so please don't help me "understand."

lol its sad when you actually have to post that because you just know there is going to be "that guy" who just has to say OMG I cant believe your comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry.

 

[5Stars]

don't you think 59-83-1 is proof enough that Norval can't win football games?

15-33 for Campo?

I don't get the logic of some of these fine people!!

 

[Hostile]

I'm just saying, you said that the witchhunt was absurd, and I responded that don't you think the excuse making is too? and you said the witchhunt was moreso, and I gave you an example of how the excuse making has gone way beyond the absurd

I'm sure it has. I haven't been party to it, so I have no idea why you want to discuss it with me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm sure it has. I haven't been party to it, so I have no idea why you want to discuss it with me.

GAH!! :bang2:

just nvm

 

[Hostile]

lol its sad when you actually have to post that because you just know there is going to be "that guy" who just has to say OMG I cant believe your comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry.

I should have used a bigger font.

Hunter should thank me though. I got his thread flying.

j/k

 

[Hostile]

GAH!! :bang2:

just nvm

Gladly.

Thanks for playing.

Not going to wear the whitewash Summer. I'll argue my stances all day long and into the night. But you can't assign me a topic or stance and make me play.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am so glad you asked.

Correct me if I am wrong but the re-birth (or birth) of those teams as contenders...did it somehow coincide with a dramatic improvement in the level of play at QB?

Hmm.


Jerry's hope (goal, intent, focus, obsession, whatever) with Norv? I do believe his name is Tony Romo. Been calling it priority one I believe.

I see that. That is why I can't bash Norv in this situation. He's not the HC I want, but I see the intent and I find it honorable and even smart. Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it or even like it. But I understand it.

If he is not the coach you want and even if you can understand it.

Than how can you go through with some of the lame comparisons and excuses to justify it?

Also...if Norv is brought in here to make Romo better...what was the use of bringing in Jason? Is norv going to tutor jason to tutor Tony?

IF we are just bringing in norv to hold the fort for Jason...why could we not do the same with another coach?

I just can not fathom how these excuses and comparisons are doled out in support of Norv.

You say it does not mean you like it or care for it.

Why not just say it without all of the other excuses and comparisons?

I don't see the need for you, or others, to go that far if the only reason you understand it is because of Romo.

Once again...I think I woke up in the twilight zone.