NBC: Stephen Jones denies that Dez Bryant threatened to miss time **merged**

[Sydla]

Well no crap he's not going to get a refund. Were referring to his eventual long term contract. Whether he gets it here or not, Dez will get his money and the contract value will be higher than what his fines will be this year.

Then don't say if he sits out it's no big deal because he'll earn that back.

He won't. Ever. Regardless of what he makes in the future, $13MM is a sizeable chunk of cash.

 

[Kevinicus]

This is kinda weird. I don't think it's credible but it is posted on spotrac.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dez-bryant/

I think that is basically a default statement they use on their site. The same line is on DT's status as well. They probably just input the cap cost and it spits it out into that statement.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that is basically a default statement they use on their site. The same line is on DT's status as well. They probably just input the cap cost and it spits it out into that statement.

I'm sure it's something like that. It would have been all over if it were actually true.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Then don't say if he sits out it's no big deal because he'll earn that back.

He won't. Ever. Regardless of what he makes in the future, $13MM is a sizeable chunk of cash.

13 mil is a sizable chunk of cash but he will get it back when he gets his 40 guaranteed.

He is prepared to wait for it whether or not you're willing to believe it is too big for him. Today he said he'll miss ten weeks. Hilarious people think Jones has leverage here, Dez not playing ten weeks tanks the season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

13 mil is a sizable chunk of cash but he will get it back when he gets his 40 guaranteed.

He is prepared to wait for it whether or not you're willing to believe it is too big for him. Today he said he'll miss ten weeks. Hilarious people think Jones has leverage here, Dez not playing ten weeks tanks the season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

He will never get it back.

 

[Kevinicus]

13 mil is a sizable chunk of cash but he will get it back when he gets his 40 guaranteed.

He is prepared to wait for it whether or not you're willing to believe it is too big for him. Today he said he'll miss ten weeks. Hilarious people think Jones has leverage here, Dez not playing ten weeks tanks the season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

You don't seem to understand. That money is gone and can never come back. He can sign a big contract next year, and whatever it is, he'll still have missed out on 13 million this year.

Play 2015 for 13 million + play 2016 for 15.4 million + sign new contract with 35 million guaranteed (He's older at this point) = 63 million guaranteed.
Play 2015 for 13 million + sign new contract with 40 million guaranteed = 53 million guaranteed.
Sit out 2015 + sign new contract with 40 million guaranteed = 40 million guaranteed.

Where is the money coming back into play again?

 

[Hoofbite]

13 mil is a sizable chunk of cash but he will get it back when he gets his 40 guaranteed.

He is prepared to wait for it whether or not you're willing to believe it is too big for him. Today he said he'll miss ten weeks. Hilarious people think Jones has leverage here, Dez not playing ten weeks tanks the season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

Those are pretty crappy stipulations.

If he sits out he still gets the bump in tag value and Dallas would get less compensation if they didn't match an offer.

Perhaps no one really thought a sit out of that magnitude would happen but these are pretty bad inclusions.

I think the tag should be applied in a manner where the players compensation doesn't change (excluding injury) until he has fulfilled a season's worth of games.

If Dez sit's out 10 games, his tag value should be adjusted for next year in a manner that reflects those 10 missed games. Instead of a straight 20% bump for next year, he should only receive the 20% bump for the games after week 10 of next year.

 

[Kevinicus]

Those are pretty crappy stipulations.

If he sits out he still gets the bump in tag value and Dallas would get less compensation if they didn't match an offer.

Perhaps no one really thought a sit out of that magnitude would happen but these are pretty bad inclusions.

I think the tag should be applied in a manner where the players compensation doesn't change (excluding injury) until he has fulfilled a season's worth of games.

If Dez sit's out 10 games, his tag value should be adjusted for next year in a manner that reflects those 10 missed games. Instead of a straight 20% bump for next year, he should only receive the 20% bump for the games after week 10 of next year.

I'm pretty sure that is how it works. If he only played 6 games, then his salary for 2015 is based on those 6 games, not the full 16 game tender. In that case, the standard franchise tag would be higher, and that's what he would play on. There's no way that tag number will be close to 15.4 million.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think there is an option there right? It's either 120% or the highest of the 5 top salaries at the position over a given period of time. I don't think it's based on what he makes in that year. It's the higher of the two correct?

Somebody who has a better understanding should probably step in and educate us all. LOL.............

 

[Kevinicus]

Those are pretty crappy stipulations.

If he sits out he still gets the bump in tag value and Dallas would get less compensation if they didn't match an offer.

Perhaps no one really thought a sit out of that magnitude would happen but these are pretty bad inclusions.

I think the tag should be applied in a manner where the players compensation doesn't change (excluding injury) until he has fulfilled a season's worth of games.

If Dez sit's out 10 games, his tag value should be adjusted for next year in a manner that reflects those 10 missed games. Instead of a straight 20% bump for next year, he should only receive the 20% bump for the games after week 10 of next year.

I just read the section of the CBA that King cites, and I don't think it says what he thinks it does. It says that 120% tender is based off of the players previous year's salary (as they did not have a salary if they miss an entire year).

 

[Nightman]

So Dez has more leverage than people think. He could destroy our season by just sitting out

great teammate

 

[Sydla]

13 mil is a sizable chunk of cash but he will get it back when he gets his 40 guaranteed.

He is prepared to wait for it whether or not you're willing to believe it is too big for him. Today he said he'll miss ten weeks. Hilarious people think Jones has leverage here, Dez not playing ten weeks tanks the season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

No he won't get it back.

It's basic math.

Sit out 2015 and give up $13MM, then sign a 4 year deal in 2016 with $50MM guaranteed. At the end of five years, he would have earned $50MM.

Play in 2015 for $13MM, then signed a 4 year deal in 2016 for $50MM guaranteed. At the end of five years, he would have earned $63MM.

Hilarious that you think Bryant has leverage over the Cowboys. He has very little.

 

[Nightman]

I think there is an option there right? It's either 120% or the highest of the 5 top salaries at the position over a given period of time. I don't think it's based on what he makes in that year. It's the higher of the two correct?

Somebody who has a better understanding should probably step in and educate us all. LOL.............

If he sits out games this year he not only loses 750k this year but 900k next year

If they tag him again in 2016 it is 120% of his 2015 salary or the avg of the top 5 WRs, whichever is greater

So he would fall back to the 12.8m tender again if he skips 3 games, down from 15.4m

 

[Nightman]

Those are pretty crappy stipulations.

If he sits out he still gets the bump in tag value and Dallas would get less compensation if they didn't match an offer.

Perhaps no one really thought a sit out of that magnitude would happen but these are pretty bad inclusions.

I think the tag should be applied in a manner where the players compensation doesn't change (excluding injury) until he has fulfilled a season's worth of games.

If Dez sit's out 10 games, his tag value should be adjusted for next year in a manner that reflects those 10 missed games. Instead of a straight 20% bump for next year, he should only receive the 20% bump for the games after week 10 of next year.

It's only a 20% bump on his pro-rated pay, not the full 12.8m

He would have to play for the avg of the top 5 WRs again, which might not even be 12.8m next year

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm pretty sure that is how it works. If he only played 6 games, then his salary for 2015 is based on those 6 games, not the full 16 game tender. In that case, the standard franchise tag would be higher, and that's what he would play on. There's no way that tag number will be close to 15.4 million.

His salary would be based on the six games but I think the 20% bump applies to whichever is higher between his previous salary or the average of the top 5. So he'd still get the 20% increase to that high number because it would be based on the average of the top 5.

I was thinking along the lines of the tag being based on 16 games, excluding injury.

So if he plays 6 games this year his salary for next season should be this year's game average for 10 weeks, and then the 20% bump for the last six weeks of next season.

This way a guy can't hold out a year or any number of games and still get the increase that he doesn't deserve.

 

[Hoofbite]

It's only a 20% bump on his pro-rated pay, not the full 12.8m

He would have to play for the avg of the top 5 WRs again, which might not even be 12.8m next year

I think it's either his pay or average of top 5 with the higher number being used.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

His salary would be based on the six games but I think the 20% bump applies to whichever is higher between his previous salary or the average of the top 5. So he'd still get the 20% increase to that high number because it would be based on the average of the top 5.

I was thinking along the lines of the tag being based on 16 games, excluding injury.

So if he plays 6 games this year his salary for next season should be this year's game average for 10 weeks, and then the 20% bump for the last six weeks of next season.

This way a guy can't hold out a year or any number of games and still get the increase that he doesn't deserve.

Not necessarily. What happens to CJ in Detroit could effect that number as well. To many moving parts to know exactly what those numbers might look like.

 

[tyke1doe]

Here's what I predict:

If the Cowboys don't get a deal done by the end of July 15, Dez will sit out training camp and sign before the last preseason game.

 

[Nightman]

I think it's either his pay or average of top 5 with the higher number being used.

It's 120% of his pay but not 120% of the WRs avg.

He could end up playing for the same 12.8m if he skips 3 games as opposed to the full 15.4m

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

No he won't get it back.

It's basic math.

Sit out 2015 and give up $13MM, then sign a 4 year deal in 2016 with $50MM guaranteed. At the end of five years, he would have earned $50MM.

Play in 2015 for $13MM, then signed a 4 year deal in 2016 for $50MM guaranteed. At the end of five years, he would have earned $63MM.

Hilarious that you think Bryant has leverage over the Cowboys. He has very little.

What he loses by not playing this year he doesn't care about.

Once he gets his guaranteed 40, he wins. He's not upset about missing out on 13, he's going to make it up. He could lose out on millions for two years straight. He'll make that up and then some from whomever pays him. He's made it clear 13 mil is chump change.