Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[Noryb]

you are really reaching hard.

Zimmerman did not initiate the conversation, Trayvon did.. If he was looking for the sign, and surprisingly stumbled back on the guy, why wouldn't he respond to a question with his question? he just called the cops on the guy, I think his question was extremely relevant.

He's reaching? You're the one saying he was looking for a street sign in the back walkway of apartments.

Trayvon's question was irrelevant. I mean "Why are you following me?", stupid kid....

 

[Noryb]

does anybody know where the street sign thing came from initially?

I know I have mentioned it many times, and nobody challenged it, but now that we have the full police report, I am wondering where that came from.

I honestly have no idea, I heard that was a statement that he gave to police. I always assumed it was to provide testimony that he was not pursuing Trayvon. He knows he must establish that he was not the aggressor. Which is exactly what his father said. Maybe it came from him.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I'm glad you brought this map into play. When GZ first sees TM they are by the club house, he gives the address as 111 Retreat View Cr. Shortly after this he says TM is running and later says he ran away towards the back.

actually we don't know exactly where they are because he says the best address he can give is the club house.

later he explains he is currently parked on a "cut through" road, and explains to go pat the club house then go left, so that allows us to see he is already on the Twin Trees bend to the left (our right)

and when he says he ran to the other exit, that means he went south. claiming he went to the back of the apartments is not verifiable based on any of that.

 

[Noryb]

actually we don't know exactly where they are because he says the best address he can give is the club house.

later he explains he is currently parked on a "cut through" road, and explains to go pat the club house then go left, so that allows us to see he is already on the Twin Trees bend to the left (our right)

and when he says he ran to the other exit, that means he went south. claiming he went to the back of the apartments is not verifiable based on any of that.

What? They ask him which entrance. He says the back entrance. Now look at your map and see where the back entrance is? Taadaa, towards his dad's house.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

What? They ask him which entrance. He says the back entrance. Now look at your map and see where the back entrance is? Taadaa, towards his dad's house.

I don't know what "dads house" means.

but there are only two entrances. the club house, and the one to the south east of where he describes his position

 

[Noryb]

I don't know what "dads house" means.

but there are only two entrances. the club house, and the one to the south east of where he describes his position

Trayvon's dad lives near the south entrance approximately 70 yards from where Trayvon's body was found.

Who's position, nobody was near the south entrance. That's the direction Trayvon was headed.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Trayvon's dad lives near the south entrance approximately 70 yards from where Trayvon's body was found.

where do you get the 70 yards factoid and where did you get the address?

Who's position, nobody was near the south entrance. That's the direction Trayvon was headed.

Zimmerman described where his truck his. we can know with relative certainty the general position of his truck, which is very close to the townhouses you are talking about

 

[Noryb]

where do you get the 70 yards factoid and where did you get the address?

There was an interview with his dad and his dad takes the interviewer to the place the police told him his sons body was found. He says he lives further down approximately 70 yards, while pointing to the south.

Which address?

 

[Noryb]

where do you get the 70 yards factoid and where did you get the address?



Zimmerman described where his truck his. we can know with relative certainty the general position of his truck, which is very close to the townhouses you are talking about

Zimmerman gives the town house address in the transcript, dang man you posted it.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Zimmerman gives the town house address in the transcript, dang man you posted it.

Zimmerman only gives one address - the club house, and actually he gets it wrong. :laugh1:

he says 111, when from I can tell, and as the dispatcher try's to correct him, it is 1111

 

[Cythim]

You have offered that same opinion countless times already

And you have yet to refute it with any evidence. In a Stand Your Ground case it becomes Zimmerman's burden to prove (he is already guilty of killing, he is the one who must prove it was just) he was not the aggressor and reasonably feared losing life or limb. Zimmerman has failed at both accounts as he gives contradicting lies in this case.

 

[Cythim]

you are really reaching hard.

Zimmerman did not initiate the conversation, Trayvon did.. If he was looking for the sign, and surprisingly stumbled back on the guy, why wouldn't he respond to a question with his question? he just called the cops on the guy, I think his question was extremely relevant.

You are giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt that he was actually looking for a sign instead of following Trayvon as he stated in the 911 tape. No one gets out of their car to look at a street sign and no one has to look for one in their neighborhood.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

You are giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt that he was actually looking for a sign instead of following Trayvon as he stated in the 911 tape. No one gets out of their car to look at a street sign and no one has to look for one in their neighborhood.

you need to evaluate the entire tape

when they told him they didn't need to follow, he said ok. they then proceeded to have a lengthy discussion on where to meet, so you are stretching the evidence to claim a follow continued any more then for 10-15 seconds.

and the tape also shows he did not know the address of where he was.

everything he claims is matching up with eye witness and 911 accounts. everything.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

And you have yet to refute it with any evidence. In a Stand Your Ground case it becomes Zimmerman's burden to prove (he is already guilty of killing, he is the one who must prove it was just) he was not the aggressor and reasonably feared losing life or limb. Zimmerman has failed at both accounts as he gives contradicting lies in this case.

I don't need to refute your opinion. it is silly.

if it was as cut and dried as you tried to claim, an arrest would of happened weeks ago.

 

[casmith07]

you are really reaching hard.

Zimmerman did not initiate the conversation, Trayvon did.. If he was looking for the sign, and surprisingly stumbled back on the guy, why wouldn't he respond to a question with his question? he just called the cops on the guy, I think his question was extremely relevant.

That's just not true. The 911 tape clearly shows that Zimmerman followed him, and then stated that he was running, and got out and chased him.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

That's just not true. The 911 tape clearly shows that Zimmerman followed him, and then stated that he was running, and got out and chased him.

The tape also shows he agreed to stop following

 

[Cythim]

you need to evaluate the entire tape

when they told him they didn't need to follow, he said ok. they then proceeded to have a lengthy discussion on where to meet, so you are stretching the evidence to claim a follow continued any more then for 10-15 seconds.

and the tape also shows he did not know the address of where he was.

everything he claims is matching up with eye witness and 911 accounts. everything.

The OK you hear is from the 911 operator, not Zimmerman.

As for meeting the police, first Zimmerman said "yeah thats fine" about meeting at the mailboxes then changed his mind and said "can you have him call me and I'll tell him where I'm at?"

The tape shows he did not have an exact address, only the address to the clubhouse. On the tape you clearly hear him get out of his vehicle and chase Trayvon on foot. When that happens Zimmerman becomes the aggressor, chasing down an unarmed teen who had broken no laws.

 

[Cythim]

The tape also shows he agreed to stop following

No it doesn't, the 911 operator is saying OK, not Zimmerman.

 

[iceberg]

You call it in and do what they teach you in the neighborhood watch program and what the 911 operator advised you to do.

If I'm visiting a friend, walking the public streets and a guy starts to follow me. He then gets out and questions me, I'm not answering his freaking question and I'm going to be belligerent about it too. Why, because I know he's not asking everybody that question.

so you're a stranger in a gated community that has a history of crime and you're going to get into a fight over simply being asked who you are?

hey, i'm visiting my friend over there and just coming back from the store.
or
fight.

as for zimmermans history, sure we know what the media has said and trayvon is a smiling football player.

who was suspended for 5 days and that's why he was so far from his own home and no one knows what he was suspended for.

we have a lot more facts to wait for before we can fully know and understand.

 

[Cythim]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn't necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.
"Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.