Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[iceberg]

welcome to my ignore list. It is sad that someone can actually believe this.

yea, it was actually stupider than saying zimmerman felt like a hero.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

welcome to my ignore list. It is sad that someone can actually believe this.

A Young person is gone and a family greiving especially the parents. Tragic because if things were done differently Trayvon would still be alive.

 

[Cythim]

yea, it was actually stupider than saying zimmerman felt like a hero.

To say that the death of an innocent young man is not tragic? Much stupider.

 

[Brian_C82]

A Young person is gone and a family greiving especially the parents. Tragic because if things were done differently Trayvon would still be alive.

You could say that about lots of criminals who get killed in self defense. If you attack another man with your fists, you are breaking the law and you are putting your own life in danger. It isn't society's fault that he got himself killed. It isn't the fault of the guy who was lawfully protecting himself.

We aren't talking about a little kid here. Martin was 6'3". He was a grown man.

 

[Big D]

Trayvon is now a young punk who should've answered requests by the caring Zimmerman? Plenty of stupidity to go around.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

A Young person is gone and a family greiving especially the parents. Tragic because if things were done differently Trayvon would still be alive.

Very true. He obviously did not commit some heinous crime deserving of death. Yet somehow this yahoo gets away with killing him. There's something not right about that.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

You could say that about lots of criminals who get killed in self defense. If you attack another man with your fists, you are breaking the law and you are putting your own life in danger. It isn't society's fault that he got himself killed. It isn't the fault of the guy who was lawfully protecting himself.

We aren't talking about a little kid here. Martin was 6'3". He was a grown man.

We don't even know who attacked who first. So if Zimmerman started some kind of physical contact and Trayvon defended himself by fighting back does he still deserve Death?

So now anyone who gets in a Fist fight is allowed to shoot and kill the other person if they are losing the fight?

He's still considered a "Kid" not a small child, but still very young in the eyes of many in Society. Some who say not to jump to conclusions about ZImmerman's guilt are doing the same assuming that Trayvon was wrong.

 

[JBond]

I haven't listened to the media, I am basing my opinion on the 911 call placed by Zimmerman.

Well that explains a couple of things. You are telling wihout a doubt based on the 911 tape that this was a calculated murder. Talk about a giant reach. Good grief. You claimed being the subject of a beat down is no reason to defend yourself.

Rational people will look at all the information available and then use their own method of reasoning to come to a tentative conclusion. Then they would continue to monitor new information and adjust their belief accordingly.

When did I say it was a calculated murder? When did I say he doesn't have the right to defend himself if he is getting beat down? You are taking my statements and reaching conclusions I never came to. Does Trayvon have the right to defend himself if he feels threated by a guy who was following him at night?

I believe at the very least Zimmerman should be charged with wrongful death in a civil case. Criminal manslaughter charges might be more apropriate but I don't think it should go as high as murder. I think both parties were acting in self defense to some extent and Zimmerman carries fault for having initiated the situation.

I agree, he has stopped criminals in the past and I suspect that is exactly what he was doing this time. It always going to escalate to the point where he shot someone, he just picked an innocent target this time. No doubt he thought himself a hero as he stood over Trayvon's body.

So you got all this from the 911 tape. Wow. Change Cythim to Sherlock. You cracked the case. Well done.

No, this is my personal opinion based on everything that has been said about Zimmerman. I didn't mention his guilt in this statement, only commented on the way he behaved. You really have a hard time understanding my comments. I'll try to tone the language down for you.

Please tone it down for us simpletons. Thanks. While your at it help me out a little more. You said you are basing everything off the 911 tape and then go on to say your not. Which is it?

 

[JBond]

According to Zimmerman he was walking back to his car. No one saw how the fight actually started. Well see when the state and Feds are done investigating.

A point and a question. One, there is an eywitness to the fight.

Two, why would the feds be involved, beyond certain politicians trying to raise their poll numbers? I really have no idea what the legal justification is for the feds to get involved. Do you know?

 

[JBond]

Very true. He obviously did not commit some heinous crime deserving of death. Yet somehow this yahoo gets away with killing him. There's something not right about that.

Unless he attacked someone and was shot in self defense. The eyewitness says he was on top of Zimmerman beating him. I would shoot if I was attacked and felt my life was in jeopardy. It may not have been in jeopardy, but that is a tough call to make as you are getting the back of your head bashed, your face pummeled and the one guy that sees and hears you begging for help runs away.

I wonder how many here would react in that circumstance. I guess from the general tenor of many of the posts, many would lie down and take their chances they will not be killed, and allow a vicious beating to continue hoping at some point the nice young man would stop beating them and go away.

 

[Brian_C82]

We don't even know who attacked who first. So if Zimmerman started some kind of physical contact and Trayvon defended himself by fighting back does he still deserve Death?

So now anyone who gets in a Fist fight is allowed to shoot and kill the other person if they are losing the fight?

He's still considered a "Kid" not a small child, but still very young in the eyes of many in Society. Some who say not to jump to conclusions about ZImmerman's guilt are doing the same assuming that Trayvon was wrong.

The "Stand Your Ground" law specifically says that it is illegal to use lethal force if you initiate a fight. There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the fight. There is plenty of evidence, including eye-witness evidence, that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his truck.

It is not a crime to follow someone around and ask questions. My dad used to be a home health worker in Dallas, and he got stopped by the local neighborhood watch all the time. It IS a crime to take a swing at someone because you don't like being questioned.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. All of the EVIDENCE points to this being a case of self-defense. Our legal system is about facts and evidence, not emotional cries for mob "justice".

 

[Cythim]

Please tone it down for us simpletons. Thanks. While your at it help me out a little more. You said you are basing everything off the 911 tape and then go on to say your not. Which is it?

I am basing my opinion of the situation on the 911 tape. I am basing my opinion of who Zimmerman is as a person on everything that has been reported about him.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

The "Stand Your Ground" law specifically says that it is illegal to use lethal force if you initiate a fight. There is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the fight. There is plenty of evidence, including eye-witness evidence, that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his truck.

It is not a crime to follow someone around and ask questions. My dad used to be a home health worker in Dallas, and he got stopped by the local neighborhood watch all the time. It IS a crime to take a swing at someone because you don't like being questioned.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. All of the EVIDENCE points to this being a case of self-defense. Our legal system is about facts and evidence, not emotional cries for mob "justice".

I believe that witness saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman if that's why he/she saw. Where does it say that the witness actually saw Zimmerman turn and go back to his Car and that Trayvon attacked him from behind?


Where is this evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind and that Zimmerman was being peaceful and didn't start any kind of physical altercation to end up losing the fight?


The GF says that it sounds like Trayvon was pushed, did this witness actually see the start of the whole thing or just the middle?

 

[Cythim]

Unless he attacked someone and was shot in self defense. The eyewitness says he was on top of Zimmerman beating him. I would shoot if I was attacked and felt my life was in jeopardy. It may not have been in jeopardy, but that is a tough call to make as you are getting the back of your head bashed, your face pummeled and the one guy that sees and hears you begging for help runs away.

I wonder how many here would react in that circumstance. I guess from the general tenor of many of the posts, many would lie down and take their chances they will not be killed, and allow a vicious beating to continue hoping at some point the nice young man would stop beating them and go away.

You act as if the events prior to Zimmerman "getting jumped" do not matter to the outcome. If Zimmerman was just out minding his own business and gets jumped then yes he has a right to self defense. This may be how Zimmerman perceived the situation, but the fact is he scared a kid into thinking he was dangerous. Both parties likely thought the other was up to no good and did what was necessary to protect themselves.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Unless he attacked someone and was shot in self defense. The eyewitness says he was on top of Zimmerman beating him. I would shoot if I was attacked and felt my life was in jeopardy. It may not have been in jeopardy, but that is a tough call to make as you are getting the back of your head bashed, your face pummeled and the one guy that sees and hears you begging for help runs away.

I wonder how many here would react in that circumstance. I guess from the general tenor of many of the posts, many would lie down and take their chances they will not be killed, and allow a vicious beating to continue hoping at some point the nice young man would stop beating them and go away.

Just FYI, I've been in a pretty bloody fight with a person one time. In the end, we were both banged up--me pretty badly. I had my wrist broken and this idiot was on top of me for a long time. I never shot him. And I'm glad I didn't. I still don't like that guy. But he doesn't owe me his life over that.

 

[DFWJC]

I believe that witness saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman if that's why he/she saw. Where does it say that the witness actually saw Zimmerman turn and go back to his Car and that Trayvon attacked him from behind?


Where is this evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind and that Zimmerman was being peaceful and didn't start any kind of physical altercation to end up losing the fight?


The GF says that it sounds like Trayvon was pushed, did this witness actually see the start of the whole thing or just the middle?

Poor Tayvon is not alive to defend himself, so it's a stacked deck. That sux.

Still, the "shadow of a doubt" applies to Zimmerman, seeing that he is the accused.

 

[speedkilz88]

Every lawyer/former Judge (on tv) says that once he chose to pursue that "stand your ground" does not apply.

 

[JBond]

Just FYI, I've been in a pretty bloody fight with a person one time. In the end, we were both banged up--me pretty badly. I had my wrist broken and this idiot was on top of me for a long time. I never shot him. And I'm glad I didn't. I still don't like that guy. But he doesn't owe me his life over that.

You have your CC licence and are trained? I did not know that. What kept you from pulling your weapon as your bones were being broken? Was it a complete stranger? Just curious.

 

[DFWJC]

You have your CC licence and are trained? I did not know that. What kept you from pulling your weapon as your bones were being broken? Was it a complete stranger? Just curious.

Can I answer that for him?
You don't shoot and kill people just b/c you are in a fist fight and may be coming up short.
I doubt the guwas trying to kill him or anything.

 

[JBond]

You act as if the events prior to Zimmerman "getting jumped" do not matter to the outcome. If Zimmerman was just out minding his own business and gets jumped then yes he has a right to self defense. This may be how Zimmerman perceived the situation, but the fact is he scared a kid into thinking he was dangerous. Both parties likely thought the other was up to no good and did what was necessary to protect themselves.

In your world someone asking you what you are doing is grounds for a beating? We live in different worlds.

I wonder why the scared kid did not call the police like Zimmerman did. I wonder when he was allegedly runing away he simply did not run home to dad as he was dialing 911 for help.

No, instead the terrified kid attacked the man because he asked what he was doing. Makes sense.

Your mind reading act is growing old. You claim to know and understand the intentions of both parties involved. You sure seem to have some great mind reading powers. Please use you gift for good and not evil.

You have convinced me. Zimmerman was a crazed man who would "eventually shoot someone" as you say. You should have mentioned earlier on you know both parties very well. I would have stopped trying to reason with you long ago. You know it, so I guess we should close down the thread.

Alright everyone, it's over. Take the SOB Zimmerman out back and shoot him.