Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[MonsterD]

Agreed, which is why he should be tried for 2nd degree murder not manslaughter. I'm just playing out how I think events unfolded, some factual and some speculative.

That is what I thought as the details started to come out, definitely should be arrested and tried on 2nd degree murder charges.

 

[StevenOtero]

Here's an interesting article on it: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=38964

 

[WoodysGirl]

NABJ Exclusive: Lawyer for slain teenager Trayvon Martin’s family expects charges against gunman

By Wesley Lowery

Special to NABJ

An attorney for the family of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin on Saturday shed light on his legal team’s strategy, the status of state and federal investigations and the outpouring of support for the case.

In a wide-ranging interview with board members of the National Association of Black Journalists, conducted via Skype, attorney Daryl D. Parks said that after separate meetings with federal and state authorities, he doubts Travyon’s killer will be indicted with a federal hate crime.

However, Parks said he is increasingly hopeful that the gunman, George Zimmerman, will face state criminal charges.

Read more: http://www.nabj.org/news/87375/-NAB...ins-family-expects-charges-against-gunman.htm

 

[Hoofbite]

1. and how does zimmerman know this? this is a gated community where he knows most of all the people there. he did not know this person. he's volunteering his time to watch over his neighborhood and sees someone he doesn't know in this *high crime* neighborhood.

I wouldn't call it "volunteering". The guy has basically made a job out of it and I think I read somewhere he wasn't even registered as a Neighborhood Watchman.

In any event, whatever responsibility he thought he had in "protecting" the neighborhood it didn't extend beyond making a phone call.

2. i thought he said "i won't run".

3. i thought the 911 call showed zimmerman going back to his truck.

i'll be glad to go over the facts when we have them.

From Zimmerman's call, he said he was following on foot and then requested that the dispatcher take his phone number so the police could find him.

I highly doubt he returned to his truck. Had he gone the other back, I don't think a fight breaks out in someone's back yard unless it is now that that Trayvon initially ran and then turned and gave chase.

You said you heard some things that haven't been thrown out there yet.

I'd like to hear them, PM if you aren't confortable with posting them publicly.

 

[trickblue]

Here's an interesting article on it: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=38964

I certainly hope justice is done... no matter which side it falls on... what's right is right...

That article proposes to know facts that aren't in play... purely speculation on their part...

I read informationliberation.com from time to time and find them pretty fair... this isn't one of those times...

The worst thing to happen for this case is to be judged by the court of public opinion...

Our court system is based on innocent until proven guilty. Given social networking/internet accessibility these days, the right to "free speech" is slowly tearing down some of our other rights provided in the constitution...

 

[iceberg]

Man look at this fat helpless guy....

<a href="http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2012-03/69001439.jpg" target="_blank">

gee. you made fun of a picture.

your points must be so well thought out.

 

[iceberg]

I wouldn't call it "volunteering". The guy has basically made a job out of it and I think I read somewhere he wasn't even registered as a Neighborhood Watchman.

In any event, whatever responsibility he thought he had in "protecting" the neighborhood it didn't extend beyond making a phone call.


From Zimmerman's call, he said he was following on foot and then requested that the dispatcher take his phone number so the police could find him.

I highly doubt he returned to his truck. Had he gone the other back, I don't think a fight breaks out in someone's back yard unless it is now that that Trayvon initially ran and then turned and gave chase.

You said you heard some things that haven't been thrown out there yet.

I'd like to hear them, PM if you aren't confortable with posting them publicly.

do you know what arrangement he has with the neighborhood and police?

 

[CowboyMike]

I wouldn't call it "volunteering". The guy has basically made a job out of it and I think I read somewhere he wasn't even registered as a Neighborhood Watchman.

In any event, whatever responsibility he thought he had in "protecting" the neighborhood it didn't extend beyond making a phone call.



From Zimmerman's call, he said he was following on foot and then requested that the dispatcher take his phone number so the police could find him.

I highly doubt he returned to his truck. Had he gone the other back, I don't think a fight breaks out in someone's back yard unless it is now that that Trayvon initially ran and then turned and gave chase.

You said you heard some things that haven't been thrown out there yet.

I'd like to hear them, PM if you aren't confortable with posting them publicly.

I'd like to hear them as well, Ice. If you could PM me as well, I would be grateful.

 

[iceberg]

I certainly hope justice is done... no matter which side it falls on... what's right is right...

That article proposes to know facts that aren't in play... purely speculation on their part...

I read informationliberation.com from time to time and find them pretty fair... this isn't one of those times...

The worst thing to happen for this case is to be judged by the court of public opinion...

Our court system is based on innocent until proven guilty. Given social networking/internet accessibility these days, the right to "free speech" is slowly tearing down some of our other rights provided in the constitution...

and that is what is happening. i mean, look. "see this fat guy" is posted.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

and that is what is happening. i mean, look. "see this fat guy" is posted.

It could be said that those on ZImmerman's side are trying Trayvon just as much as GZ is being tried by those who think he didn't have the right to kill Trayvon.

 

[iceberg]

It could be said that those on ZImmerman's side are trying Trayvon just as much as GZ is being tried by those who think he didn't have the right to kill Trayvon.

show me 1 person who's made fun of a pic of travyon.

i see only a handful giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt. outside that, he's todays rage to hate so you can feel good about yourself.

 

[trickblue]

It could be said that those on ZImmerman's side are trying Trayvon just as much as GZ is being tried by those who think he didn't have the right to kill Trayvon.

Do you not see what's happening here? The media is creating a frenzy... they love chum in the water... ratings, ratings, ratings...

Why is Rev Al there? Why is Jesse speaking? Media...

Why is the media calling GZ a "White Latino"? Why is white in there? It keeps it going...

No matter the outcome, the media is driving this. They give time to the race baiters Rev Al and Jesse...

As I have said... burn GZ at the stake if warranted, but let's let the court system work first...

For the record, I think GZ is guilty of probably at least manslaughter, but I could be wrong. Should we judge him before a trial on CNN and MSNBC?

 

[iceberg]

let me just say this -

we don't trust the media to report accurate cowboys news.

but they got this right.

odd to me.

 

[WoodysGirl]

show me 1 person who's made fun of a pic of travyon.

i see only a handful giving zimmerman the benefit of the doubt. outside that, he's todays rage to hate so you can feel good about yourself.

No one's made fun of a pic, but there were a couple posts mentioning how everyone's posting old pics to garner sympathy, since he stands an imposing 6'2...which is supposedly gargantuan in comparison to the tiny 5'8' Zimmerman. Or somehow suggesting that Trayvon's pics were manipulated to look younger to garner more sympathy.

In efforts to make arguments, there are those who are expressing derision towards both sides. IMO, there's not a lot of difference between a 5'8 grown man and 6'2" young man. They both have advantages.

Trayvon had the face, build, and make up of a seemingly a normal teen and GZ had the face, build, of a normal grown man.

 

[trickblue]

let me just say this -

we don't trust the media to report accurate cowboys news.

but they got this right.

odd to me.

Too many do... and laugh at the rest of us... (I don't mean in this case)...

The media these days want to make a difference/name instead of reporting the news...

We see it all of the time right here in the Dallas Media...

 

[CowboyMike]

Do you not see what's happening here? The media is creating a frenzy... they love chum in the water... ratings, ratings, ratings...

Why is Rev Al there? Why is Jesse speaking? Media...

Why is the media calling GZ a "White Latino"? Why is white in there? It keeps it going...

No matter the outcome, the media is driving this. They give time to the race baiters Rev Al and Jesse...

As I have said... burn GZ at the stake if warranted, but let's let the court system work first...

For the record, I think GZ is guilty of probably at least manslaughter, but I could be wrong. Should we judge him before a trial on CNN and MSNBC?

Please refer to my earlier post on "White latino." I would greatly appreciate you reading it in regards to particular subject.

I can very easily see how Zimmerman can be referred to as white. It is possible he thinks of himself as white and grew up in a white family. I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying it's possible.

I just thought I'd add an additional perspective to this.

Zimmerman's family is claiming he is half White and half Hispanic. They are saying that he cannot possibly be racist because he grew up in a multiracial family.

I am half white and half Hispanic. However I look white, I act white, and I grew up in a very "white" household. I took three years is Spanish classes and still can't speak it correctly; I have "white" tongue. Many do not believe that I am half Hispanic, and as a kid I experienced severe discrimination from "full" Hispanic kids, as I grew up in a heavily Hispanic city. Even the Hispanic side of my family is heavily Americanized, as really the only evidence were the tamales around Christmas time. I even remember many times when my grandma would berate a cashier or waitress or someone, in Spanish, for speaking Spanish to her instead of English.

If a police officer were to stop and question me, he would not believe that I am half Hispanic, and would approach me as a white man. I know, because I have asked.

So it is very easy for me to understand how Zimmerman is identified as white, and that he was treated by the police as white. It is also easy for me to believe that Zimmerman had racial issues and discriminatory thoughts, even though he is biracial. My best friend was black, and I do not consider myself racist. However, when I am treated a certain way by Hispanics, it is hard for me to not think about bad memories when I was a kid.

Zimmerman should be arrested and put before a trial of his peers to be judged for his crimes. There is due process for a reason. Police are not the judgement. They are the protectors. They have failed to protect.

 

[iceberg]

No one's made fun of a pic, but there were a couple posts mentioning how everyone's posting old pics to garner sympathy, since he stands an imposing 6'2...which is supposedly gargantuan in comparison to the tiny 5'8' Zimmerman. Or somehow suggesting that Trayvon's pics were manipulated to look younger to garner more sympathy.

In efforts to make arguments, there are those who are expressing derision towards both sides. IMO, there's not a lot of difference between a 5'8 grown man and 6'2" young man. They both have advantages.

Trayvon had the face, build, and make up of a seemingly a normal teen and GZ had the face, build, of a normal grown man.

the only pic i've seen of travyon makes is the one of him looking like a 15 year old football star.

what other pics have been shown?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Do you not see what's happening here? The media is creating a frenzy... they love chum in the water... ratings, ratings, ratings...

Why is Rev Al there? Why is Jesse speaking? Media...

Why is the media calling GZ a "White Latino"? Why is white in there? It keeps it going...

No matter the outcome, the media is driving this. They give time to the race baiters Rev Al and Jesse...

As I have said... burn GZ at the stake if warranted, but let's let the court system work first...

For the record, I think GZ is guilty of probably at least manslaughter, but I could be wrong. Should we judge him before a trial on CNN and MSNBC?

let me just say this -

we don't trust the media to report accurate cowboys news.

but they got this right.

odd to me.

Count me as one who doesn't give a rat's patootie about the media's influence. Ultimately, we are responsible for the info we digest. I haven't even read most media reports, because the basic facts haven't changed. Much of thread is pure opinion and speculation, but it's not based on what's actually happening or not happening with this case.

 

[iceberg]

Count me as one who doesn't give a rat's patootie about the media's influence. Ultimately, we are responsible for the info we digest. I haven't even read most media reports, because the basic facts haven't changed. Much of thread is pure opinion and speculation, but it's not based on what's actually happening or not happening with this case.

100% understand that about you WG and that's what i most respect.

 

[iceberg]

Please refer to my earlier post on "White latino." I would greatly appreciate you reading it in regards to particular subject.

I can very easily see how Zimmerman can be referred to as white. It is possible he thinks of himself as white and grew up in a white family. I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying it's possible.

it's also possible, by that logic, trayvon grew up on polka music.