Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[trickblue]

I don't know why the Media tries to say that he is White. Because it's not like other races can't have racists

This whole thread started from that... the title was changed because the op didn't bother to check the facts...

This thread continues, mainly from that...

Why can't everyone else just let the process work. The current Florida AG is known as being very fair and non-partisan...

The racial implications have been clear and unwarranted. I invite you to inquire among any "White Latino" friends you may have... It's a new term for sensationalism...

I deplore our politicos taking this up for political gain...

 

[WoodysGirl]

or maybe what was reported that night fit standard protocol and the case blew up after that.

to think an entire police department failed beyond such belief sure comes easy.

In your opinion, do you believe the police followed standard protocol?

 

[iceberg]

That must be a "You" understood, because I personally haven't micro-analyzed either of them.

i already said i know *YOU* don't do that. but look around, many have already strung up zimmerman off a lot of surface media fed evidence.

i'll sit back with you and wait - and that's the main point i'm making as people make up their minds already.

 

[iceberg]

In your opinion, do you believe the police followed standard protocol?

i could not tell you that. i was not there. do i think the police screwed up so badly people had to step down?

i could not tell you as i was not there. i'm also not well versed on standard police protocol. when i asked someone who is and is local to the area, he said no.

they followed protocol.

so someone i trust is a liar, or this has gotten way out of hand.

 

[WoodysGirl]

about the case.

have you gone through court records? been to sanford? talked to anyone?

or have you gotten all your info through the media and how they present it?

Again, I ask. How is that relevant to what happened that night? Could you explain a theory to me how his school suspension had anything to do with the confrontation between him and Zim?

I don't care about media reports. I just wanna know how that changes your view of things.

 

[iceberg]

Again, I ask. How is that relevant to what happened that night? Could you explain a theory to me how his school suspension had anything to do with the confrontation between him and Zim?

I don't care about media reports. I just wanna know how that changes your view of things.

what if he was suspended for being a hothead and starting a lot of fights.
what if it was just standard teen stuff.

what if.

people dig into zimmermans past to predict his behavior now.

do the same on both sides.

 

[Noryb]

why? why do you choose to believe something that has not been established?

no one knows what happened but a lot of people believe a lot of things.

is that to get justice, or feel better about ourselves?

Because Trayvon's girlfriend said that he said "I think I lost him"...

And Zimmerman says....

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. **** he's running.

Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?

Zimmerman: George...He ran.

Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

 

[CowboyMike]

I don't have the ref to read it... would be happy to...

My wife is from Mexico and said they consider it a slur to be referred to as a "white latino"... guess that isn't racist here...

I've been called "gringo" more times than I can count. At times I've found it offensive, but I've gotten used to it. There is a certain term down here used for white looking Mexicans, but it's never been thought of as a slur around here in my opinion.

I'm not exactly sure why "white latino" might be considered a slur.

Why is he considered white... because of his last name? His father also said he has been raised as Latino...

I think the last name is a part of it. His appearance might be thought of as white. If I grew facial hair like his I'd look more hispanic. Clean shaven, as is my usual appearance, I'm very white looking. I think the same would be true with him.

Why is he half white after an alleged crime? He would be (full) Latino if he was applying for a voting card...

When I fill out voting cards, college applications, job applications, any kind of survey, and it asks for race... Well I don't like that question, because honestly I don't think it matters. However, I am always torn, because the only options presented to me that could possibly apply to me are:

• White/Caucasian
• Latino/Hispanic
• Mixed/Other (Not Hispanic)

So do I check White? Do I check Latino? Because according to them I cannot be both. I can't choose mixed because I would be saying I'm not Hispanic, where I am. And I can't check two boxes, according to the form. So the system dictates that I am either White or Hispanic. I can't be both.


I have checked "Prefer not to answer" many times. I have checked "White" and I have checked "Hispanic". That question always frustrates me, because apparently who I truly am cannot exist.

When does this racial variation crap stop? This country was once known as a melting pot... it is now become Babylon...

Scrap this racial crap... it ain't working...

I agree. Race is messing up this whole case. Ultimately is is the fact that a man seemingly pursued an innocent kid, it resulted in a scuffle, and the man shot the kid and killed him, whether it was self defense or not remains to be seen. Ultimately it seems the police did bungle the investigation.

I was only trying to provide perspective on why Zimmerman may have been racially motivated. I wasn't saying that he was.

Zimmeran's fate should be determined in the court of law, as it is intended in this country. Whether he is guilty or not guilty, it is not up to us nor the police to decide. It is up to the judge and jury.

 

[TheCount]

about the case.

have you gone through court records? been to sanford? talked to anyone?

or have you gotten all your info through the media and how they present it?

What does that have to do with anything? Are you arguing the technicality of my statement for the sake of argument? You know exactly what I mean.

 

[iceberg]

Because Trayvon's girlfriend said that he said "I think I lost him"...

And Zimmerman says....

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. **** he's running.

Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?

Zimmerman: George...He ran.

Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

i'm gonna ignore you now. later on.

 

[iceberg]

What does that have to do with anything? Are you arguing the technicality of my statement for the sake of argument? You know exactly what I mean.

no. i don't. i said people are judging off the media.

you said you're not.

i'm asking where you're getting your info then if not off the media in the end.

pretty simple to me.

 

[WoodysGirl]

i could not tell you that. i was not there. do i think the police screwed up so badly people had to step down?

i could not tell you as i was not there. i'm also not well versed on standard police protocol. when i asked someone who is and is local to the area, he said no.

they followed protocol.

so someone i trust is a liar, or this has gotten way out of hand.

So you believe they followed protocol based on what you know from someone you trust from the area.

If that is the case, then the analysis needs to be placed on the actual police protocol, because I do believe someone dropped the ball.

 

[iceberg]

So you believe they followed protocol based on what you know from someone you trust from the area.

If that is the case, then the analysis needs to be placed on the actual police protocol, because I do believe someone dropped the ball.

perhaps.

but this person i talked to has been dealing with police departments his whole life.

and i've known him my whole life.

so i'll wait and see before i say anyone did anything wrong based on what we know so far. but like we've all already agreed, this has been so screwed up, not just from the police angle, but perception...

the truth will never be agreed upon at this point.

 

[TheCount]

no. i don't. i said people are judging off the media.

you said you're not.

i'm asking where you're getting your info then if not off the media in the end.

pretty simple to me.

You're going to have to quote to me where I said I wasn't judging based off the media.

I'm pretty sure I said that the racial media discussion has nothing to do with what happened. I don't know how to be more clear.

 

[WoodysGirl]

perhaps.

but this person i talked to has been dealing with police departments his whole life.

and i've known him my whole life.

so i'll wait and see before i say anyone did anything wrong based on what we know so far. but like we've all already agreed, this has been so screwed up, not just from the police angle, but perception...

the truth will never be agreed upon at this point.

Grand jury findings cannot come soon enough.. I tell you that much.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

This whole thread started from that... the title was changed because the op didn't bother to check the facts...

This thread continues, mainly from that...

Why can't everyone else just let the process work. The current Florida AG is known as being very fair and non-partisan...

The racial implications have been clear and unwarranted. I invite you to inquire among any "White Latino" friends you may have... It's a new term for sensationalism...

I deplore our politicos taking this up for political gain...

"White-Latino" shouldn't be used if its so offense. As far as the rest of the Media Frenzy on this story goes I think that if Zimmerman had been arrested and charged with the proper investigation from the start for the case to go to trail.

If all of the above was done then I believe that this case would go unnoticed to the Media and Public like a lot of murder cases do. But the lack of an arrest and proper investigation is what started this whole thing in the first place.

It;s like the SPD made and provided any excuses they could to allow Zimmerman to roam free and not have to go through Trail like many others would if they killed someone

 

[iceberg]

You're going to have to quote to me where I said I wasn't judging based off the media.

I'm pretty sure I said that the racial media discussion has nothing to do with what happened. I don't know how to be more clear.

to me that's hair splitting.

they show you pics of a football hero and a fat dude.

what do MOST people do?

 

[WoodysGirl]

I haven't seen a football pic, but this is the only other pic I've seen outside of the hoodie pic. Still doesn't look particularly big or intimidating to me.

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[TheCount]

to me that's hair splitting.

they show you pics of a football hero and a fat dude.

what do MOST people do?

Who cares what most people do? You're not having a conversation about what happened, you're talking about the medias reaction to it.

That's fine, but it has nothing to with what took place that night. Nothing.

Attempting to tie the media reaction into whether the case is valid or not makes zero sense.

 

[iceberg]

I haven't seen a football pic, but this is the only other pic I've seen outside of the hoodie pic. Still doesn't look particularly big or intimidating to me.

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nope. like i said, i never went looking so i couldn't tell you. only what the media showed me in my normal course of events.