Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[Romo_To_Dez]

the girlfriend says that Martin confronted Zimmerman. get it right just once.

THe GF's statement proves that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon and did not just say "okay" and turned to go back to his truck like some of his defenders claim.

It makes it sound like Zimmerman just went back to his truck without confronting him and that Trayvon rounded back and attacked him from behind.

Trayvon's Girlfriend says that she thought he has lost Zimmerman and that Zimmerman had to be close enough to Trayvon for him to ask the question in the first place.

 

[The30YardSlant]

nope. he followed them exactly.

prove otherwise.

"let me know if he does anything"

"he is running"

"are you following"

"yes"

"you don't have to "

"ok"

Prove what? That the police said he didnt need to follow him? It's on record from the phone conversation.

And that is hardly the biggest issue here. Trayvon, confronted by a random individual who cannot identify himself as anything other than a civilian, defended himself. If he started the fight, a distinct possibility, he may have taken it too far and kept attacking him after the threat was eliminated and that is when he got shot. All of this is up in the air but largely irrelevant because had Zimmerman not confronted an individual who want doing anything wrong when Zimmerman first set out on this endeavor Trayvon would still be alive and that is one of the few facts that exists in this case.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

THe GF's statement proves that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon

hardly. How do you know Martin didn't turn back around after feeling he lost Zimmerman?

the claravoiyance you get out of a third hand phone call is amazing. A person would think it was a video call the way you are going on and on with this "evidence"

you are becoming a bit absurd the way you are carrying on, and I am not the only one to see it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I think you and I may have different definitions of bravery.

I think you and Zimmerman do for sure if that was his reasoning. I'm saying nothing about my thoughts on the issue.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Prove what? That the police said he didnt need to follow him? It's on record from the phone conversation.

And that is hardly the biggest issue here. Trayvon, confronted by a random individual who cannot identify himself as anything other than a civilian, defended himself. If he started the fight, a distinct possibility, he may have taken it too far and kept attacking him after the threat was eliminated and that is when he got shot. All of this is up in the air but largely irrelevant because had Zimmerman not confronted an individual who want doing anything wrong when Zimmerman first set out on this endeavor Trayvon would still be alive and that is one of the few facts that exists in this case.

saying we don't need yo to do something isn't an order, it actually reads more of a cop out in case something goes wrong to prevent the government from being liable.

But that he said ok, indicates compliance anyway.

And before he started following, he was given instructions to report on anything the person does. when the person runs, if he didn't follow, he would of been ignoring that request.

poor ol Zimmerman was going to ignore a request one way or another.

 

[The30YardSlant]

a month after the event, any arrest that comes forward would be more motivated by politics then legalese

And this proves what? That there are flaws in the judicial system? You'll get no argument from me on that.

Just because Zimmerman is arrested due to political motivation doesnt mean it will be an unjust arrest, it means that the police were so inept that a proper arrest was made impossible.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

hardly. How do you know Martin didn't turn back around after feeling he lost Zimmerman?

the claravoiyance you get out of a third hand phone call is amazing. A person would think it was a video call the way you are going on and on with this "evidence"

you are becoming a bit absurd the way you are carrying on, and I am not the only one to see it.

What do you want me to say that Trayvon is guilty and Zimmerman innocent is that what you want to hear?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

What do you want me to say that Trayvon is guilty and Zimmerman innocent is that what you want to hear?

Trayvon's guilt is irrelevant.

I want you to admit that based on the known evidence, Zimmerman should remain a free man.

 

[The30YardSlant]

saying we don't need yo to do something isn't an order, it actually reads more of a cop out in case something goes wrong to prevent the government from being liable.

But that he said ok, indicates compliance anyway.

And before he started following, he was given instructions to report on anything the person does. when the person runs, if he didn't follow, he would of been ignoring that request.

poor ol Zimmerman was going to ignore a request one way or another.

Except that he was running due a perceived threat...from the very man reporting that he was running.

Suspicious activity produced from Zimmerman's perceived threat is not going to remove blaim from the individual producing the threat. If anything he furthered the threat by reporting it and then following.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Except that he was running due a perceived threat...from the very man reporting that he was running.

he died 70 yards from his fathers house.

why couldn't a fit 17 year old that lost Zimmerman not make it those extra 70 yards if he was so scared.

I'm not saying he wasn't scared, but I question how badly he wanted to get away from a not as in shape older guy.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Trayvon's guilt is irrelevant.

I want you to admit that based on the known evidence, Zimmerman should remain a free man.

Known evidence? What known evidence other than the one that the SPD failed to collected? Just because the SPD failed to do their jobs and were unprofessional does not mean that we as a public should accept bad police work effecting the course of a case.


And be okay with corrupt and unprofessional Police work. Bad work by the Police should not just be accepted or mean that we should have to accept Zimmerman as a free man because the SPD didn't do their jobs.


If a Police department went out of their way to frame someone and there is proof that there is a framing should the public just accept it because the Police Department claims it as Evidence?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Trayvon's guilt is irrelevant.

Finally something we can agree on.

I want you to admit that based on the known evidence, Zimmerman should remain a free man.

For the sake of argument I won't remind you that he should have been detained immediately following the situation and wasnt...oops.

Based on the known evidence, we know three things:

1: Trayvon was doing nothing illegal prior to the confrontation and nothing suspicious prior to Zimmerman's unjustified interest in his presence.

2: Zimmerman got out of his car and approached someone who knew neither who he was or that he was carrying.

3: Had Zimmer done even one thing differently prior to the confrontation Trayvon wouldnt have died that night.

Unless you can show that Zimmerman's actions did not in any way lead to Trayvon's death then there is nothing for us to admit.

 

[The30YardSlant]

why couldn't a fit 17 year old that lost Zimmerman not make it those extra 70 yards if he was so scared.

This is so beside the point that it is terrifying that you even thought to bring it up. You believe this means ANYTHING at all in this case?

I'm not saying he wasn't scared, but I question how badly he wanted to get away from a not as in shape older guy.

It doesnt matter, at all. Maybe he was tired. Maybe Zimmerman yelled at him or drew his gun. Maybe he didnt want to lead what he must have thought was a crazy man to his family's home.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Finally something we can agree on.



For the sake of argument I won't remind you that he should have been detained immediately following the situation and wasnt...oops.

Based on the known evidence, we know three things:

1: Trayvon was doing nothing illegal prior to the confrontation and nothing suspicious prior to Zimmerman's unjustified interest in his presence.

2: Zimmerman got out of his car and approached someone who knew neither who he was or that he was carrying.

3: Had Zimmer done even one thing differently prior to the confrontation Trayvon wouldnt have died that night.

Unless you can show that Zimmerman's actions did not in any way lead to Trayvon's death then there is nothing for us to admit.

It's utterly brainless to think otherwise. Probable cause for arrest is all there... Someone is blowing smoke up your skirt in an attempt to ruffle your feathers.

 

[iceberg]

Known evidence? What known evidence other than the one that the SPD failed to collected? Just because the SPD failed to do their jobs and were unprofessional does not mean that we as a public should accept bad police work effecting the course of a case.

And be okay with corrupt and unprofessional Police work. Bad work by the Police should not just be accepted or mean that we should have to accept Zimmerman as a free man because the SPD didn't do their jobs.

If a Police department went out of their way to frame someone and there is proof that there is a framing should the public just accept it because the Police Department claims it as Evidence?

how do you know what the police failed to collect? until today, i never knew zimmerman was taken in for hours for questioning.

i also know someone in the orlando area for 30 years now who works with most of the police stations who said sandford police followed proper procedure.

but that doesn't jibe with mob mentality who desperately needs someone to blame.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

The News just said that Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and he fell backwards and hit his head and that Trayvon got on top of him. They said that Zimmmerman's side makes this claim maybe some articles will come up.


So what happened did Trayvon jump him from behind like Zimmerman claims as he went back to his truck? Or were they face to face when this happened? It can't be both

 

[iceberg]

Finally something we can agree on.

For the sake of argument I won't remind you that he should have been detained immediately following the situation and wasnt...oops.

eric posted earelier that he was cuffed, put in a police car, and taken to the jail for 2+ hours of questioning and interrigation.

if this is true, the whole sanford police is corrupt needs to fade out quietly.

 

[iceberg]

The News just said that Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and he fell backwards and hit his head and that Trayvon got on top of him. They said that Zimmmerman's side makes this claim maybe some articles will come up.

So what happened did Trayvon jump him from behind like Zimmerman claims as he went back to his truck? Or were they face to face when this happened? It can't be both

1. zimmerman followed.
2. trayvon noticed him and ran
3. zimmerman said he was running
4. 911 asked if he were chasing him
5. yes
6. you don't have to.
7. go back to car
8. all up for debate.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

how do you know what the police failed to collect? until today, i never knew zimmerman was taken in for hours for questioning.

i also know someone in the orlando area for 30 years now who works with most of the police stations who said sandford police followed proper procedure.

but that doesn't jibe with mob mentality who desperately needs someone to blame.

Yes, because 2-3 hours is such adequate time for a murder investigation....

C'mon.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

The problem in this thread, is the people I am arguing with consistently say things that are complete and utter bull****

For the sake of argument I won't remind you that he should have been detained immediately following the situation and wasnt...oops.

He was handcuffed, he was put in the back of a police car, and he was taken to the police station, where he was stuck in an interrogation room and questioned for hours.

So you appear right off the bat as someone that doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about. Does that stop you from participating? It didn’t the others I corrected over and over and over and over. Strike 1

Based on the known evidence, we know three things:

1: Trayvon was doing nothing illegal prior to the confrontation and nothing suspicious prior to Zimmerman's unjustified interest in his presence.

Zimmerman’s testimony is known evidence, and he says Martin was doing suspicious things. Strike 2

2: Zimmerman got out of his car and approached someone who knew neither who he was or that he was carrying.

No known evidence shows Zimmerman approached Martin. We think that Martin began the confrontation by asking Zimmerman a question because of what the girlfriend says. Strike 3

3: Had Zimmer done even one thing differently prior to the confrontation Trayvon wouldnt have died that night.

That isn’t known evidence. You are just being ridiculous now.

Unless you can show that Zimmerman's actions did not in any way lead to Trayvon's death then there is nothing for us to admit.

You can admit the multiple mistakes you made in this one post, but I won’t hold my breath