Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[iceberg]

Yes, because 2-3 hours is such adequate time for a murder investigation....

C'mon.

ok. i'm out again. eric, have fun. i'm just not gonna argue with everyone on here who already made up their mind.

not worth it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

eric posted earelier that he was cuffed, put in a police car, and taken to the jail for 2+ hours of questioning and interrigation.

if this is true, the whole sanford police is corrupt needs to fade out quietly.

First of all, you'll forgive me for not taking his word on that. Playing devil's advocate brings with it the devil's tricks of the trade.

Second, if this were true it doesnt do too much for the police department. They have the right to detain you for 72 hours and no sort of proper questioning can occur in two hours, half of which would have been transporting him to and from the station.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

in a court of law, the sworn testimony of Zimmerman is admissible evidence.

If that is the only admissible evidence in relation to who started the fight, he is a free man.

Why would you even begin to think such a thing?

Wow.

 

[03EBZ06]

i also know someone in the orlando area for 30 years now who works with most of the police stations who said sandford police followed proper procedure.

Just curious, if Sanford PD did absolutely nothing wrong and followed proper procedures, why then the Chief of Police needed to temporarily step down? If he truly believed what they did was right then I don't understand why he didn't stand his own ground, regardless what outside detractors say...I don't get this

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-charges-coming-in-shooting-death?pc=25&sp=50


Link

Says that Trayvon hit him in the face and he fell backwards. Another defense is that ZImmerman turned to go back to his truck and was jumped from behind. Getting hit in the face doesn't equal getting jumped from behind as you are going to your truck. But that's just me

 

[iceberg]

Just curious, if Sanford PD did absolutely nothing wrong and followed proper procedures, why then the Chief of Police needed to temporarily step down? If he truly believed what they did was right then I don't understand why he didn't stand his own ground, regardless what outside detractors say...I don't get this

look at the mob mentality calling for blood of anyone and everyone.

first step in the long haul is to try and regain common sense in a very emotional time. when this is over and people can look without jackson / sharpton and the black panthers driving agendas, maybe we'll know more.

for now most of us are driving around in the smoke. like i said, i'm not here to argue or get into it with friends. for awhile i wanted zimmerman arrested also.

but to say that makes a ton of assumptions.

and here we are.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

ok. i'm out again. eric, have fun. i'm just not gonna argue with everyone on here who already made up their mind.

not worth it.

You're out of here because I just brought up a very valid point. 2-3 hours isn't squat. You know that.

So poor Zimmerman said he was being beat up. Grow a set. What ever happened to being a man and fighting your battles without weapons?

Anyway, have fun! :laugh2:

Why are people's minds made up? Because this stinks to high heaven of some trigger happy moron taking someone's innocent life.

If only everyone only got 2-3 hours for a murder investigation, we'd have less murderers.

If you call that an "investigation", I have to wonder.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Yes, because 2-3 hours is such adequate time for a murder investigation....

C'mon.

This any Police department should take their time before deciding such a case.

Also part of the SPD"s mishandling of this case is the fact that they didn't test Zimmerman for drug and alcohol but did Trayvon. Also that they may have let him go home without testing his clothes or taking his gun in for testing.

Whether or not the plead is Self Defense you would think that a Police department would test all of these things. Letting Trayvon's body stay on a slab for three days without contacting his family.

The SPD has given many reasons for people not to trust their work or the evidence they have claim to collected.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just curious, if Sanford PD did absolutely nothing wrong and followed proper procedures, why then the Chief of Police needed to temporarily step down? If he truly believed what they did was right then I don't understand why he didn't stand his own ground, regardless what outside detractors say...I don't get this

This any Police department should take their time before deciding such a case.

Also part of the SPD"s mishandling of this case is the fact that they didn't test Zimmerman for drug and alcohol but did Trayvon. Also that they may have let him go home without testing his clothes or taking his gun in for testing.

Whether or not the plead is Self Defense you would think that a Police department would test all of these things. Letting Trayvon's body stay on a slab for three days without contacting his family.

The SPD has given many reasons for people not to trust their work or the evidence they have claim to collected.

 

[The30YardSlant]

He was handcuffed, he was put in the back of a police car, and he was taken to the police station, where he was stuck in an interrogation room and questioned for hours.

Again, you'll have to forgive me for not taking your word on that. I can post dozens of stories dated as late as this morning that mention he was not detained.

Zimmerman’s testimony is known evidence, and he says Martin was doing suspicious things. Strike 2

Oh yeah, wearing a hoodie and walking through a nice neighborhood. I just went running last night through a well thought of community in a hoodie, I'll be sure to avoid such suspicious behavior in the future.

Testifying that something is suspicious doesnt make it so.

No known evidence shows Zimmerman approached Martin. We think that Martin began the confrontation by asking Zimmerman a question because of what the girlfriend says.

Amazng how you believe the word of a biased 17 year old girl but call into question the thoughts of other. Witnesses at the scene said Zimmerman approached Martin and the shooting occured away from the car. Did Martin channel Obi Wan and draw Zimmerman in against his will? Perhaps...

That isn’t known evidence. You are just being ridiculous now.

Ah yes, Trayvon would probably have slipped, hit his head on the curb and died anyway. Hell, Zimmerman probably did him a favor by offering a quicker death via a round to the chest.

You can admit the multiple mistakes you made in this one post, but I won’t hold my breath

You're lucky I'm still willing to participate, because your logical leaps and absolutely remarkable assumptions are growing by the minute.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Why would you even begin to think such a thing?

Wow.

He's playing devil's advocate.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Our system is that you are INNOCENT until proven GUILTY, but you wouldn't have known that reading this thread.

You're going backwards. Firstly, the suspect should be arrested, which doesn't put the burden of guilt or innocence on the state until he is tried. Then any only then would he be afforded his right to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

There is so much probable cause here it's not funny. The only reason this guy got wasn't arrested is because the cops see him as being on their side, since he was watching a neighborhood they poorly covered an patrolled.


http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS09/CH0901/Section_0901.15.HTM

Go ahead believing the police were right here.. the police, in a lot of cases, are the last ones who should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

He's playing devil's advocate.

I noticed.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You're going backwards. Firstly, the suspect should be arrested, which doesn't put the burden of guilt or innocence on the state until he is tried. Then any only then would he be afforded his right to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS09/CH0901/Section_0901.15.HTM

Amazing how this has been ignored for so long. The burden of proof falls on the state when it comes to a conviction, not an arrest. Otherwise every single person who was arrested and either relased of acquitted would have the legal right to sue the state.

An arrest can be made on even very weak evidence, and in certain cases even the logical belief that evidence exists.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Again, you'll have to forgive me for not taking your word on that. I can post dozens of stories dated as late as this morning that mention he was not detained.

Have you read the actual police report? It says it on that report. The media is running with lies. They are ignoring plain facts to fuel this case.

The police were horribly wrong in how they handled Martin, it appears they wrote him off as a gang banger because they didn’t even use his phone to get in contact with his parents until 3 days later. But that isn’t Zimmermans fault. He was detained, but no summary arrest was justified based on the known evidence, and nothing new has come to light to change that.

 

[joseephuss]

Zimmerman’s testimony is known evidence, and he says Martin was doing suspicious things. Strike 2

Is testimony the correct word? Probably a bit nit picky, but I always thought of testimony as something done under oath in either a deposition or court. What we would have now is his statement or affidavit, but I claim no expertise in these matters.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Is testimony the correct word? Probably a bit nit picky, but I always thought of testimony as something done under oath in either a deposition or court. What we would have now is his statement or affidavit, but I claim no expertise in these matters.

I think it is. If police can prove he lied in what he told them, it is illegal and they can prosecute. When penalty of perjury is at stake, it is testimony.

whereas if they can prove the women lied to the media, there is little they can do to her.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Is testimony the correct word? Probably a bit nit picky, but I always thought of testimony as something done under oath in either a deposition or court. What we would have now is his statement or affidavit, but I claim no expertise in these matters.

You'd be correct. Zimmerman's statements could be held agains him if he were read his miranda rights.

Someone slept during their jurisprudence class. LOL

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Amazing how this has been ignored for so long. The burden of proof falls on the state when it comes to a conviction, not an arrest. Otherwise every single person who was arrested and either relased of acquitted would have the legal right to sue the state.

An arrest can be made on even very weak evidence, and in certain cases even the logical belief that evidence exists.

Bingo.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Bingo.

A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.