Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[03EBZ06]

i also know someone in the orlando area for 30 years now who works with most of the police stations who said sandford police followed proper procedure.

The police were horribly wrong in how they handled Martin, it appears they wrote him off as a gang banger because they didn’t even use his phone to get in contact with his parents until 3 days later.

Interesting...

 

[iceberg]

Interesting...

yep. but at this point i'm speaking for someone who told me this i trust. in the end i simply don't know.

but i'm ok with admitting it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Have you read the actual police report? It says it on that report. The media is running with lies. They are ignoring plain facts to fuel this case.

The police were horribly wrong in how they handled Martin, it appears they wrote him off as a gang banger because they didn’t even use his phone to get in contact with his parents until 3 days later. But that isn’t Zimmermans fault. He was detained, but no summary arrest was justified based on the known evidence, and nothing new has come to light to change that.

Yes I have, one sentence from one officer in a police department that has placed their chief on leave and was shown to have handled this remarkably poorly.

Meanwhile, every single reputable news outlet is still reporting he was never detained. Why? Because everyone at the scene besides the police has told reporters that Zimmerman was never placed in the back of a squad car.

 

[TheCount]

Amazing how this has been ignored for so long. The burden of proof falls on the state when it comes to a conviction, not an arrest. Otherwise every single person who was arrested and either relased of acquitted would have the legal right to sue the state.

An arrest can be made on even very weak evidence, and in certain cases even the logical belief that evidence exists.

It's ridiculous. These people are arguing against an ARREST. Not a conviction, but an ARREST.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

O, goodness. For assault arrests it only takes someone to say they were in pain and if it hurt even a little bit. Sadly, the victim in this case wan't alive to speak for himself. Most state laws say you may use a "reasonable amount" of force, which is totally ambiguous and arbitrary. However, the reality of it is the overwhelming portion of people in Zimmerman's shoes would be behind bars.

"May, "Can", "Probably"... get it over with. Probable cause exists. Arrest this nitwit and try him.

If he's so innocent, let him and his attorney explain that in trial.

What does this say to anyone? If you used force against someone, kill them and say they attacked you--like Zimmerman!!!

I guess we could go down the whole spirt and letter of the law road, but I wouldn't expect it to sink in.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Yes I have, one sentence from one officer in a police department that has placed their chief on leave and was shown to have handled this remarkably poorly.

Meanwhile, every single reputable news outlet is still reporting he was never detained. Why? Because everyone at the scene besides the police has told reporters that Zimmerman was never placed in the back of a squad car.

the interrogation room is video taped, no way is the police lying about this.

might as well argue about the moon landing being faked. that is the ground you are now traversing

 

[Eric_Boyer]

O, goodness. For assault arrests it only takes someone to say they were in pain and if it hurt even a little bit. Most state laws say you may use a "reasonable amount" of force, which is totally ambiguous and arbitrary. However, the reality of it is the overwhelming portion of people in Zimmerman's shoes would be behind bars.

"May, "Can", "Probably"... get it over with. Probable cause exists. Arrest this nitwit and try him.

If he's so innocent, let him and his attorney explain that in trial.

776.032 trumps whatever this goobly **** translated too.

 

[Lodeus]

I hate seeing Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson getting involved in these kinds of things.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/f...ton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's ridiculous. These people are arguing against an ARREST. Not a conviction, but an ARREST.

That's the key here.

If he's innocent, try the guy.

Plenty exists as it stands to arrest him. There wouldn't be many, if any at all, attorneys, judges or non-Floridian police who'd disagree with me.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

776.032 trumps whatever this goobly **** translated too.

How so? Care to elaborate?

I'll take it with a gain of salt, coming from someone who doesn't know their basic jurisprudence procedures.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

That's the key here.

If he's innocent, try the guy.

Plenty exists as it stands to arrest him. There wouldn't be many, if any at all, attorneys, judges or non-Floridian police who'd disagree with me.

funny, a few minutes ago the key was he wasn't even detained.

until I threw that bull**** out the window

now the problem is the city has to pay for a trial, even though they don't think the evidence exists to make it worthwhile. all to appease people that believed a bunch of lies the media ran with

 

[The30YardSlant]

the interrogation room is video taped, no way is the police lying about this.

might as well argue about the moon landing being faked. that is the ground you are now traversing

One would think they would cut the audio and release the video to salvage their reputation instead of allowing this to continue. There is not a violation of Zimmerman's rights and would change the public tune.

It seems that among all those who have been talked to ONE of them wouldnt have a reason to lie and actually tell the truth about him getting into the squad car. Even Fox News and CNN, who have defended him at times through this and have surely seen the police report, are still running with the idea that he wasnt detained.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

coming from someone who doesn't know their basic jurisprudence procedures.

I believe a person in an interrogation room that has to sign a a sworn statement has given his testimony.

you want to argue semantics, feel free. I never claimed to be a lawyer.

 

[TheCount]

Zimmerman now says that Trayvon went for his gun.

Also, whoever said earlier that Trayvon was suspended for "10 days for assaulting a bus driver", he was actually suspended 5 days for being found with an empty bag of weed.

So it looks like the evil media is spinning both ways.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I believe a person in an interrogation room that has to sign a a sworn statement has given his testimony.

you want to argue semantics, feel free. I never claimed to be a lawyer.

Those are statements, not testimony. Huge difference between statements and testimony. So much difference, to claim "semantics" is a huge stretch. Those reading know that much.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Those are statements, not testimony. Huge difference statements and testimony. So much difference, too claim semantics is a huge stretch.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...s/articles/cfn/2012/3/22/trayvon_martin_faq_f
Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she
is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I believe a person in an interrogation room that has to sign a a sworn statement has given his testimony.

you want to argue semantics, feel free. I never claimed to be a lawyer.

That would be what is known as a "sworn statement", which is legally different from testimony. A sworn statement is admissible but one is not legally accountable for its contents, which is why they arent very pursuading in most cases. Testimony must be given under oath and giving false testimony is grounds for arrest.

It appears McCoy has a point, you don't really understand this as well as you think you do.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

That would be what is known as a "sworn statement", which is legally different from testimony. A sworn statement is admissible but one is not legally accountable for its contents, which is why they arent very pursuading in most cases. Testimony must be given under oath and giving false testimony is grounds for arrest.

It appears McCoy has a point, you don't really understand this as well as you think you do.

you guys are making **** up. the police refer to what they have as testimony.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

funny, a few minutes ago the key was he wasn't even detained.

until I threw that bull**** out the window

now the problem is the city has to pay for a trial, even though they don't think the evidence exists to make it worthwhile. all to appease people that believed a bunch of lies the media ran with

Do you want a cookie? If the investigation was such a good one, why didn't the police say, "we're confident that Zimmerman is innocent? We questioned him and we know he was attacked. It was self-defense."

Because that doesn't make any sense. Only a devil's advocate, not even a very good one, would defend this guy right now.

Our system is set up so that we don't have people wrongly convicted. That's why we have such a high standard of proof.

For an arrest, it's totally different.

But you obviously don't know that.

 

[The30YardSlant]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...s/articles/cfn/2012/3/22/trayvon_martin_faq_f
Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she
is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.

Interesting that you post a link that you believes proves one point and in doing show disprove another that you yourself made. :laugh2: