Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[Romo_To_Dez]

Yes. The holler you hear on 911 based on the witness said it was Zimmerman screaming for help not the kid. Again. I'm not trying to claim innocent but at this stage I'm holding off on claiming Guilt.

What I'm afraid of is the media has sensationalized this case and are getting people riled up before all facts are known. Funny if this was a black on black crime this would not even be a story. Last week 10 young black men were killed in Chicago including a baby it never made the national news why? It was black on black crime. I'm not going to allow the media to dictate outrage, let the facts all come out

The problem is that there were conflicting witnesses and I still think that this is a case that should go to trail. Zimmerman's word for it and one eye witness account in my eyes doesn't mean that he should avoid trail.

Going on trail and being convicted are different things and I still think that possible evidence was lost if they let ZImmerman got home in is clothes.

People should be outraged over other murders but chances were that people will have to go on trail even with a witness or two or their side.


This all could have been avoided if Zimmerman never profiled the kid and maybe he would be so quick to judge or at least let the cops do their job when he calls.

There are also conflicted accounts of how Zimmerman was attacked one was that he was going back to his truck and got attacked from behind, the other that Zimmerman got punched face to face and fell backwards. There is also a question of what happened to the Girlfriend on the phone with Trayvon at the time.


There are too many conflicting witnesses just to ignore some and let Zimmerman go free without a trail

 

[Doomsday101]

Read the thread, its been talked about and links posted concerning at what position Zimmerman supposedly have been attacked. Both sides have been vilified, not just one, moreso with Zimmerman because he killed a teen.

I'm not saying both have not been. I'm saying we don't know what happened. The media as reported this because they think it is a hate crime and no other reason. They don't give a damn about the kids in Chicago over the last week where 10 have been killed including a baby why because it is a not a juicy story, it is black on black crime. Jesse Jackson sure as hell does not care, Sharpenton sure as hell has not stood and condemed this violence the Black Panthers do nothing to help clean the streets.

This is about one thing race this is why is has gotten the attention of the national media. Before we claim guilt or innocent let the facts come out that has not been the case thus far. I'm guilty of this because my reaction was the same as most that this Zimmerman needed to be in prision but now more is coming out about what took place that night. I owe it myself and my own convictions of we are all innocent until proven guilty. I failed to do that once I will not do it again.

 

[03EBZ06]

If you see someone in a gated community who is unknown by those living in that gated community it will raise suspicion especially when there have been many break in. This is why these communities have a neighborhood watch program. Calling 911 was the right thing to do even if the police arrives talk to the kid and finds out there was no problem.

So that's it? That's TM's fault for not being known around the community? lol

I don't know how big this gated community is, but if its pretty decent size, I'm not so sure Zimmerman would know everybody in that community, so I guess whoever he doesn't know automatically become suspicious and subject to his wreath, lol

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I'm not saying both have not been. I'm saying we don't know what happened. The media as reported this because they think it is a hate crime and no other reason. They don't give a damn about the kids in Chicago over the last week where 10 have been killed including a baby why because it is a not a juicy story, it is black on black crime. Jesse Jackson sure as hell does not care, Sharpenton sure as hell has not stood and condemed this violence the Black Panthers do nothing to help clean the streets.

This is about one thing race this is why is has gotten the attention of the national media. Before we claim guilt or innocent let the facts come out that has not been the case thus far. I'm guilty of this because my reaction was the same as most that this Zimmerman needed to be in prision but now more is coming out about what took place that night. I owe it myself and my own convictions of we are all innocent until proven guilty. I failed to do that once I will not do it again.

I think people on Zimmerman's side have been rushing to Judgment too about Trayvon somehow trying to bring up the fact that Trayvon was not a perfect Kid, as if that makes his Killing less tragic or no big deal.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The problem is that there were conflicting witnesses and I still think that this is a case that should go to trail. Zimmerman's word for it and one eye witness account in my eyes doesn't mean that he should avoid trail.

Going on trail and being convicted are different things and I still think that possible evidence was lost if they let ZImmerman got home in is clothes.

People should be outraged over other murders but chances were that people will have to go on trail even with a witness or two or their side.


This all could have been avoided if Zimmerman never profiled the kid and maybe he would be so quick to judge or at least let the cops do their job when he calls.

There are also conflicted accounts of how Zimmerman was attacked one was that he was going back to his truck and got attacked from behind, the other that Zimmerman got punched face to face and fell backwards. There is also a question of what happened to the Girlfriend on the phone with Trayvon at the time.


There are too many conflicting witnesses just to ignore some and let Zimmerman go free without a trail

On a side note, your typo is killing me. lol You keep spelling "trial" as "trail"

While I know what you mean, I have no idea how you keep making the same mistake.

Forgive my grammar policing. I hang my head in shame.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I wish they would get this issue handled so the world could move forward.

 

[Doomsday101]

The problem is that there were conflicting witnesses and I still think that this is a case that should go to trail. Zimmerman's word for it and one eye witness account in my eyes doesn't mean that he should avoid trail.

Going on trail and being convicted are different things and I still think that possible evidence was lost if they let ZImmerman got home in is clothes.

People should be outraged over other murders but chances were that people will have to go on trail even with a witness or two or their side.


This all could have been avoided if Zimmerman never profiled the kid and maybe he would be so quick to judge or at least let the cops do their job when he calls.

There are also conflicted accounts of how Zimmerman was attacked one was that he was going back to his truck and got attacked from behind, the other that Zimmerman got punched face to face and fell backwards. There is also a question of what happened to the Girlfriend on the phone with Trayvon at the time.


There are too many conflicting witnesses just to ignore some and let Zimmerman go free without a trail

How do you know he profiled the kid? He is part of a watch program for this community, it is his responsibility to report any thing out of the norm. This is what I'm talking about you claim Profile how do you know this is what he is doing. Hell he had made many calls to 911 in the past was he profiling all those other times as well meaning were all those calls on blacks. Funny his best friend is black. Do you think it is possible what he reported was a person in the gated community who he had not seen there before and thought was acting suspicious?

As for this needing to go on trial? I fully agree. A shooting took place the police should have brought him in and questioned him. Police in my view botched this from the get go.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

On a side note, your typo is killing me. lol You keep spelling "trial" as "trail"

While I know what you mean, I have no idea how you keep making the same mistake.

Forgive my grammar policing. I hang my head in shame.

Thanks I really didn't notice. :

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people on Zimmerman's side have been rushing to Judgment too about Trayvon somehow trying to bring up the fact that Trayvon was not a perfect Kid, as if that makes his Killing less tragic or no big deal.

I'm not on either side. I don't know who Trayvon was and I don't know what kind of person Zimmerman is. I'm not so much defending him as I am defending the notion that in the US we are innoicent until proven guilty and the media and many have not given that to Zimmerman. I have not seen an outcry or protest in favor of Zimmerman I have seen protest and big names going after Zimmerman based on very little information.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

How do you know he profiled the kid? He is part of a watch program for this community, it is his responsibility to report any thing out of the norm. This is what I'm talking about you claim Profile how do you know this is what he is doing. Hell he had made many calls to 911 in the past was he profiling all those other times as well meaning were all those calls on blacks. Funny his best friend is black. Do you think it is possible what he reported was a person in the gated community who he had not seen there before and thought was acting suspicious?

As for this needing to go on trial? I fully agree. A shooting took place the police should have brought him in and questioned him. Police in my view botched this from the get go.

From his 911 calls if was like he already assumed that Trayvon was about to do something wrong. He's on Drugs and saying that Trayvon was up to something and saying that these A -holes always get away. Already accusing Trayvon of some thing before the cops could get there to clear it up.

It's one thing to be cautious but at least wait until the cops get there before you make a judgment on what the Kid is doing in the Neighborhood.

The main anger with the SPD is that they played Judge and Jury and that is not their job, it's to collected evidence and witness statements from both sides and hand it over to be processed.

The SPD going to TV to attack and dismiss witnesses who contradict Zimmerman's story makes them look Bias towards one side and I feel like it's unprofessional. They should leave the defending of Zimmerman up to his lawyer and friends.

 

[WoodysGirl]

From his 911 calls if was like he already assumed that Trayvon was about to do something wrong. He's on Drugs and saying that Trayvon was up to something and saying that these A -holes always get away. Already accusing Trayvon of some thing before the cops could get there to clear it up.

It's one thing to be cautious but at least wait until the cops get there before you make a judgment on what the Kid is doing in the Neighborhood.

The main anger with the SPD is that they played Judge and Jury and that is not their job, it's to collected evidence and witness statements from both sides and hand it over to be processed.

The SPD going to TV to attack and dismiss witnesses who contradict Zimmerman's story makes them look Bias towards one side and I feel like it's unprofessional. They should leave the defending of Zimmerman up to his lawyer and friends.

I think that's a pretty good handle of how I feel about the situation. I'm not angry in the sense where I've gone to rallys, but I'm legitimately confused on how things played out AFTER the confrontation.

 

[TNCowboy]

From his 911 calls if was like he already assumed that Trayvon was about to do something wrong.

This is another thing that appears to be mis-reported by the media. The guy called a police non-emergency #, not 911, from what I read yesterday. But the 911 keeps being repeated because it helps fit their profile of portraying Zimmerman as a white vigilante racist.

But, regardless, just as Martin did not commit a crime merely by walking through a neighborhood, neither did Zimmerman because he "profiled" a young black man he didn't know walking down the street and was concerned by his presence, given the rash of crimes in his neighborhood.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is another thing that appears to be mis-reported by the media. The guy called a police non-emergency #, not 911, from what I read yesterday. But the 911 keeps being repeated because it helps fit their profile of portraying Zimmerman as a white vigilante racist.

But, regardless, just as Martin did not commit a crime merely by walking through a neighborhood, neither did Zimmerman because he "profiled" a young black man he didn't know walking down the street and was concerned by his presence, given the rash of crimes in his neighborhood.

So because the number being referenced somehow makes a difference as to Zimmerman's reason for the call?

I've read several times that he called the non-emergency number. It doesn't change anything to me.

I've called the non-emergency number for suspected drunk drivers and debris in the road. The goal is to get a police response.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

This is another thing that appears to be mis-reported by the media. The guy called a police non-emergency #, not 911, from what I read yesterday. But the 911 keeps being repeated because it helps fit their profile of portraying Zimmerman as a white vigilante racist.

But, regardless, just as Martin did not commit a crime merely by walking through a neighborhood, neither did Zimmerman because he "profiled" a young black man he didn't know walking down the street and was concerned by his presence, given the rash of crimes in his neighborhood.

Profiling is not illegal but I still understand the frustrations of Black Men who are Law abiding and have done nothing wrong but are automatically seen as criminals or thugs in the eyes of some and are basically punished because of what others in their race have done.


Because I don't think that it's fair to Judge people that way. Not a single race had 100% perfect people which is why everyone should be judged as individuals and not in a group or race.

 

[Doomsday101]

From his 911 calls if was like he already assumed that Trayvon was about to do something wrong. He's on Drugs and saying that Trayvon was up to something and saying that these A -holes always get away. Already accusing Trayvon of some thing before the cops could get there to clear it up.

It's one thing to be cautious but at least wait until the cops get there before you make a judgment on what the Kid is doing in the Neighborhood.

The main anger with the SPD is that they played Judge and Jury and that is not their job, it's to collected evidence and witness statements from both sides and hand it over to be processed.

The SPD going to TV to attack and dismiss witnesses who contradict Zimmerman's story makes them look Bias towards one side and I feel like it's unprofessional. They should leave the defending of Zimmerman up to his lawyer and friends.

He was suspicious no doubt maybe overly so and so as a watch captain what should he do, ignore it or call the police? He calls the police they ask are you following him he said yes, they say don't, he says ok. Now a witness says Martin confronts him as he is going back to his SUV so which is it, is he continuing to follow Martin or is he doing what 911 told him to do? After all he is walking back to his vehicle. Now the witness says Martin confronts him. Given the broken nose and other cuts it is obvious that there was an altercation unless you think Zimmerman broke his own nose.

Again something happened and hopefully we will find out the truth but given the media reports it has been stronger against Zimmerman. I don't see rally taking place defending Zimmerman so this notion they are being biased in favor of Zimmerman is a joke. Jackson, Sharpeton as well as the Black Panthers have already condemned and found Zimmerman guilty and frankly based on the initial reports so did I.

In my view lets allow the process to take place before finding guilt.

 

[Doomsday101]

Profiling is not illegal but I still understand the frustrations of Black Men who are Law abiding and have done nothing wrong but are automatically seen as criminals or thugs in the eyes of some and are basically punished because of what others in their race have done.


Because I don't think that it's fair to Judge people that way. Not a single race had 100% perfect people which is why everyone should be judged as individuals and not in a group or race.

But for all you know those other calls Zimmerman made could have been white teenagers who were going through this gated community that raised concerns. All too often we take our own personal bias based on events that took place in our own lives and add that to a case we see on TV.

Heck I always see people around here take their own live experience and add that to what is going on. Problem is we don't know what actually took place. Already Zimmerman is profiled as a racist, do you know for a fact he is? I don't if he is or isn't.

 

[TheCount]

How do you know he profiled the kid? He is part of a watch program for this community, it is his responsibility to report any thing out of the norm.

So a teenager walking around at 7pm, talking on his phone, is out of the norm? They don't have teenagers in the complex? This all took place early in the evening, it's not like he was shuffling around at 3 in the morning, peeking into parked car windows.

If you look at his past calls, a lot of the stuff is somewhat justified - open garages, loud parties, people popping wheelies, etc. Someone walking around at 7pm should not arouse the suspicions of anyone. He even told 911 that Trayvon looked like he was on drugs, what does that even mean?

 

[Doomsday101]

So a teenager walking around at 7pm is out of the norm? They don't have teenagers in the complex?

So all he was doing was walking? What else did you see?

Again Zimmerman saw something he felt warranted a call to the non emergency 911 dispatcher. Was he just being over paranoid maybe but then in a gated community people that are part of the watch groups tend to know who is living within the community and give recent break in's they had experienced and the fact an unknown teenager was walking through here caused concern.

I will try again to explain myself. I don't know what happened nor do you, we know what is being reported from 1 side. As more info comes out maybe it will paint a clearer picture. I do think the police botched this

 

[Doomsday101]

I flipped pages. My 1st reaction was the same as most as more info has come out I have gotten to the point of wait and see. I'm a big believer in innocent until proven guilty and upset with myself for jumping the gun. Maybe Zimmerman is guilty, maybe he is not. Maybe the truth is some where in between.

 

[03EBZ06]

Again Zimmerman saw something he felt warranted a call to the non emergency 911 dispatcher.

Like what? Or did he see what he wanted to see?

I'm with you about letting this all play out and see what happens, but I'm really interested in Why Zimmerman was suspicious of TM, aside from just not knowing him, I just don't buy this notion of not knowing some one in a gated community warrants suspicion. I'm also interested in how the confrontation got initiated.

I'm also on board with innocent until proven guilty statement, but did Zimmerman gave that same consideration to TM?