Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[Romo_To_Dez]

I'm sure Zimmerman did not set out thinking I'm going to kill someone tonight.

I didn't say that Zimmerman did plan to kill anyone. If it's true that Zimmerman turned back to go back to his truck then it may have been too late. The fear of being followed by have built up in Trayvon by then and like lashed out because in his mind he was defending himself.


I don't think you should approach someone with a Gun especially someone that you think is up to no good unless you are ready to use that gun. Don't get out of the car because if you view that person as "Suspicious" then no moves should be made that could heighten the situation.

This may not have been what Zimmerman intended to happen, but his actions caused Trayvon to react in one way or the other

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe it's me, but I don't hold any doubt towards Zimmerman. He killed a kid based on his own actions. Pretty simple to me.

People are looking for reasons why it happened to gain a better understanding of how things played out, but I don't need that.

So let's present this scenario that Trayvon became the aggressor as Zimmerman was returning to his car. From this perspective, Trayvon may not have known Zimmerman had a gun on his person and thought he was going for a gun in the car and decided to take him out before he reached it.

I mean, we can come up with all sorts of scenarios as to how the confrontation played out, but in my mind, this confrontation could've been prevented once the dispatch operator said not to follow him and Zimmerman complied.

If Zimmerman stopped and did what the operator said and was returning to his car and then he is confronted by Martin then who is becoming the aggressor? Does that make what Martin did the right thing to do?

These are things that need an answer as far as a person is dead I agree and that is sad but the circumstances do matter

If I was sitting on a jury I would want and need to know what all took place

 

[Dallas]

None of that really has anything to do with my point. The idea that he racially profiled Trayvon in the first place, has zilch to do with rallies and polling. I'm talking about what happened, not the media's reaction to it.

Its the racial profiling you say took place, that is your problem? There is so much opinion about this. Like I said earlier, your own mayor is in a sense profiling criminals because of the thug-u clothes they are wearing in crime areas of NYC, be they white/black/green/yellow. Does that bother you? The statistics show that crime has decreased substantially because of the search/frisk being allowed for cops now. Do you feel safer, or are you still offended by it?

 

[TNCowboy]

If the media stops paying attention to them they can and will pull the race card. Our hypersensitive society has determined that everybody except white christian males are completely immune from public ridicule.

Anybody remember the black panthers threatening voters at polls in 2008? Yeah, that got about four seconds worth of media attention. Had the KKK stood out in front of southern polls we'd STILL be hearing about it.

It's the double standard that our society has created based on the need to overcompensate for mistakes made by men in the past who have long since died.

hammer/nail

 

[Doomsday101]

I didn't say that Zimmerman did plan to kill anyone. If it's true that Zimmerman turned back to go back to his truck then it may have been too late. The fear of being followed by have built up in Trayvon by then and like lashed out because in his mind he was defending himself.


I don't think you should approach someone with a Gun especially someone that you think is up to no good unless you are ready to use that gun. Don't get out of the car because if you view that person as "Suspicious" then no moves should be made that could heighten the situation.

This may not have been what Zimmerman intended to happen, but his actions caused Trayvon to react in one way or the other

Going back and confronting Zimmerman is not defending yourself. No more than the initial reports where it appeared Zimmerman followed him and then confronted Martin would I look at as defending himself.

Why didn't Martin just continue on his way, the worst thing happens is the police show up and ask him some question.

 

[Doomsday101]

None of that really has anything to do with my point. The idea that he racially profiled Trayvon in the first place, has zilch to do with rallies and polling. I'm talking about what happened, not the media's reaction to it.

OK then what exactly happened? That is what I want to find out, as more infor has some out the clear cut guilt does not seem as clear.

 

[WoodysGirl]

that is very easy to say and think safe in your home or office sitting behind a computer screen.

A little different situation then it was at the time

It's very easy to say, because I wouldn't have put myself in that situation to begin with.

If I'm reporting suspicious activity, I follow the dispatcher's instructions and go about my business. I wouldn't have even made the other person suspicious about my own activity in the area.

If Zimmerman stopped and did what the operator said and was returning to his car and then he is confronted by Martin then who is becoming the aggressor? Does that make what Martin did the right thing to do?

These are things that need an answer as far as a person is dead I agree and that is sad but the circumstances do matter

If I was sitting on a jury I would want and need to know what all took place

If I'm understanding the timeline scenario correctly... Zimmerman called, ran after Trayvon, lost him, and was returning to his car, and Trayvon attacks him.

I go back to the first issue. Who was the initial aggressor? Zimmerman for running after Trayvon. He put himself in a situation where he could've gotten killed.

So it really doesn't change my view that Zimmerman's actions resulted in the death of a kid. Whether they were criminal actions is up for debate, but he killed this young man. And while he may very well legally justify his actions, in my mind, he ****ed up. There's no way around that to me.

 

[Dallas]

It's very easy to say, because I wouldn't have put myself in that situation to begin with.

If I'm reporting suspicious activity, I follow the dispatcher's instructions and go about my business. I wouldn't have even made the other person suspicious about my own activity in the area.

If I'm understanding the timeline scenario correctly... Zimmerman called, ran after Trayvon, lost him, and was returning to his car, and Trayvon attacks him.

I go back to the first issue. Who was the initial aggressor? Zimmerman for running after Trayvon. He put himself in a situation where he could've gotten killed.

So it really doesn't change my view that Zimmerman's actions resulted in the death of a kid. Whether they were criminal actions is up for debate, but he killed this young man. And while he may very well legally justify his actions, in my mind, he ****ed up. There's no way around that to me.

Isn't it Zimmermans job to WATCH the neighborhood and look for suspicious activity since he is the Neighborhood WATCH guy? From what I read he reported the activity and was told not to follow.

You are saying he put himself into that situation and I am just countering with NHW programs are to establish a presence and report suspicious activity taking place in their neighborhoods.

So what he watched/followed/reported? That is what they do in these programs. He was told to not follow and from what has been reported he turned and was heading back to his vehicle when supposedly he was attacked by the youth.

Am I incorrect in this?

 

[Doomsday101]

It's very easy to say, because I wouldn't have put myself in that situation to begin with.

If I'm reporting suspicious activity, I follow the dispatcher's instructions and go about my business. I wouldn't have even made the other person suspicious about my own activity in the area.

If I'm understanding the timeline scenario correctly... Zimmerman called, ran after Trayvon, lost him, and was returning to his car, and Trayvon attacks him.

I go back to the first issue. Who was the initial aggressor? Zimmerman for running after Trayvon. He put himself in a situation where he could've gotten killed.

So it really doesn't change my view that Zimmerman's actions resulted in the death of a kid. Whether they were criminal actions is up for debate, but he killed this young man. And while he may very well legally justify his actions, in my mind, he ****ed up. There's no way around that to me.

So if this is correct that Zimmerman stops goes back to his car why did Martin then attack? Zimmerman was leaving why would he think he was in danger? Had he continued on more than likely he would have ran in to the police who would have asked him questions.

As for Zimmerman’s action again he tells the operator he is following when he is asked and when told not to he stops and is returning to his car.

Granted this is based on a scenario that has come up how accurate is this new information? I have no clue but if I was going to stand in judgment of Zimmerman these are things I would want to find out. Was Zimmerman wrong in pursuing the kid at the get go? Maybe was Martin wrong in confronting Zimmerman? Maybe so.

So many questions I would like to have answered.

 

[TheCount]

OK then what exactly happened? That is what I want to find out, as more infor has some out the clear cut guilt does not seem as clear.

In this particular instance, I'm not talking about guilt or innocence. I am specifically talking about Zimmerman's racial profiling of Trayvon as being the catalyst to the entire night of events.

I'm not saying he's racist. I'm not saying he went out to kill a black guy. I'm not saying Trayvon didn't attack him. I'm not saying the shooting may not have been justified. Remove all that stuff from this particular conversation.

Racial Profiling doesn't make him guilty, and it's not a crime, not alone anyway. It's just unfortunate, and I think if he hadn't racially profiled Trayvon, there is no confrontation and they both sleep soundly that night.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I give up, you're not even listening. It's fine, you have your opinion and I have mine on this particular issue. We don't have to agree. I just find it interesting that Zimmerman's defenders are giving him the benefit of the doubt on just about every issue (regardless of what we know or don't know) and Trayvon gets nothing.

Zimmerman is the only person that has to formulate a defense, as the court of public opinion is in session.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Zimmerman is the only person that has to formulate a defense, as he is the only one alive and he shot an unarmed person.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Fixed that for you.

I prefer you leave my words the way I intended them, but whatever :bang2:

 

[TheCount]

Zimmerman is the only person that has to formulate a defense, as the court of public opinion is in session.

I don't give a damn about the court of public opinion. Trayvon is dead, so hey, lucky for him he doesn't have to deal with the media, huh?

 

[Doomsday101]

In this particular instance, I'm not talking about guilt or innocence. I am specifically talking about Zimmerman's racial profiling of Trayvon as being the catalyst to the entire night of events.

I'm not saying he's racist. I'm not saying he went out to kill a black guy. I'm not saying Trayvon didn't attack him. I'm not saying the shooting may not have been justified. Remove all that stuff from this particular conversation.

Racial Profiling doesn't make him guilty, and it's not a crime, not alone anyway. It's just unfortunate, and I think if he hadn't racially profiled Trayvon, there is no confrontation and they both sleep soundly that night.

But you are claiming that was the motivation. So tell me how do you know that was Zimmerman motivation? Don't tell me something you experienced I'm asking about this particular person and this incident.

We know Zimmerman called the police on many occasions because of suspicious persons where they all black? I continue to hear Zimmerman did this because the teenager was black you don’t think there was any other reason?

Could be he was a teenager whom Zimmerman had never seen in this gated community?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I prefer you leave my words the way I intended them, but whatever :bang2:

I made a valid point to counter your point.

Frankly I am shocked you would not agree to it even if you don't care for it.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I don't give a damn about the court of public opinion. Trayvon is dead, so hey, lucky for him he doesn't have to deal with the media, huh?

you probably won't give a damn when the media sensationalism leads to riots either.

I guess Zimmerman deserves the bounty put on in head as well?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I made a valid point to counter your point.

Frankly I am shocked you would not agree to it even if you don't care for it.

you made it appear I said something I didn't say. I don't ever appreciate that.

If you want to be quoted saying something, then say it. Don't attribute it to me.

 

[TheCount]

But you are claiming that was the motivation. So tell me how do you know that was Zimmerman motivation? Don't tell me something you experienced I'm asking about this particular person and this incident.

We know Zimmerman called the police on many occasions because of suspicious persons where they all black? I continue to hear Zimmerman did this because the teenager was black you don’t think there was any other reason?

Could be he was a teenager whom Zimmerman had never seen in this gated community?

Oh ***** ******, forget it.

 

[TheCount]

you probably won't give a damn when the media sensationalism leads to riots either.

I guess Zimmerman deserves the bounty put on in head as well?

What are you talking about? Do you think your posts on here are going to curb this pending race riot? Did I put the bounty? Am I chasing him down?

You really expect that someone is going to tell you race riots and bounties are good? This is a logical conversation, don't turn it into nonsense.