Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

Doomsday101

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iceberg;4482165 said:
i've wanted to reply a few times but have learned it won't do any good. mind made up, all the evidence in, end of story.

I can't say I have made up my mind. I did once when it 1st came out, Zimmerman would guilty. Now more evidence and wittness now I don't know.

What I do know is we are all suppose to be innocent until proven guilty and right now I don't see that as being the case given the national exposure. Sad part it is only news because of the race issues that are being tossed around. There are many young kids killed in white on white crimes or black on black that will never make the national news and there are those who will use this to pump up their own image


Right now I want to see facts
 

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DOUBLE WING;4482147 said:
Yes, a 17-year-old was suspended for smoking weed and spraying graffiti. My God, what a horrible person! Good thing Zimmerman took a miscreant like that off the streets.

Martin's past is completely irrelevant to this because Zimmerman knew none of that when he murdered him.

He was a thief with a history of attacking people. Go read his tweets. And stop being a drama queen.
 

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Dallas;4482166 said:
I thought the mods were policing this better after Reality put his foot down. Why do we have to have this crap continue? Surely a warning should be sent after what Reality stated.

Still, trying very very hard. Yet the underhandedness doesn't stop.
 

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Doomsday101;4482160 said:
We don't know that. Why go over to the SUV of Zimmerman? Zimmerman stopped following him and was returning to his vehicle so why go over to the vehicle and confront him? If the kid was scared then why not keep moving away from Zimmerman and go home or call the police evidently he had a cell phone so why not call the police and say some guy is following me?


The same could be asked of Zimmerman if he was afraid of this 6' 3" kid why get out of the truck in the first place? Do we even know that Zimmerman was fully at his truck? Did they check the position of Trayvon's body to confirm that Zimmerman was at his truck when the shooting happened? If Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and never had followed Trayvon then things might have ended differently.


Why didn't Zimmerman just let the cops handle this without following or approaching at all? You can say that he had the "right" to do what he did.

No matter how you look at it in one way or the other Zimmerman sparked a chain of events that got a 17 year old killed, Self Defense or not.
 

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Now this is bizarre.

Trayvon Martin's Mom Files Trademark Papers

The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin has filed papers seeking to trademark two slogans based on his name.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office filings by Sybrina Fulton are for the sayings "I Am Trayvon" and "Justice For Trayvon." The applications were filed last week.

The applications say the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs. An attorney who filed the papers says Fulton wants to protect intellectual property rights for use in projects to help other families in similar situations.

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-s-mom-files-trademark-papers.html


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CowboyMcCoy;4482174 said:
A hot head who someone decided to chase? If someone was chasing you, hot head or not, what would you do? Just curious...

I sure wouldn't let some nitwit without a badge try to stop me and say, "Hey, I'm the nhwc, can I please see some ID."

What chase? Did you mean when TM chased Zimmerman to his car and then beat his head into the concrete?

Yep. That attack did not go so well. Hopefully other hot heads will learn from TM's poor idea. but as some else said. It was bound to happen sooner or later. They were talking about Zimmerman but the same applied to TM.
 

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I have started removing access to users who after many warnings cannot stop themselves from attacking, taunting, etc. other users.

Please stop trying to intimidate or threaten people about being removed from this forum or banned because that is just as bad as the personal attacks. This also includes making derogatory comments about users who should lose access or have already lost access to this forum.

If you see someone making posts that are not directly related to this topic, you can report the post.

#reality
 

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zrinkill;4482183 said:
Now this is bizarre.

Trayvon Martin's Mom Files Trademark Papers

The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin has filed papers seeking to trademark two slogans based on his name.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office filings by Sybrina Fulton are for the sayings "I Am Trayvon" and "Justice For Trayvon." The applications were filed last week.

The applications say the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs. An attorney who filed the papers says Fulton wants to protect intellectual property rights for use in projects to help other families in similar situations.

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-s-mom-files-trademark-papers.html


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Show me the money. Never let a tragedy go to waste.
 

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Doomsday101;4482150 said:
The media showing pictures of a 12 year old Martin was legit?

Personally I don't care as much about his back ground as I do the facts that took place that night.


Now they are showing pictures of Trayvon as an older Kid.

Complaint one, the Media is one sided against Zimmerman, now they are reporting suspensions and other troubles that Trayvon had.

Complaint two showing young pictures of Trayvon now they are showing older pictures.

SO the Media is not being one sided right now.


If the SPD never mishandled this case then it would never have been national news the way I see it. People can blame the Media as much as they want to, the SPD owes some answers to Trayvon's family at least.
 

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Sanford PD has really mucked up this incident...

Witnesses told ABC News a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

Austin Brown, 13, was walking his dog during the time of the altercation and saw both men on the ground but separated.
An officer at the scene overheard Zimmerman saying, "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me," the report said.

Witnesses told ABC News they heard Zimmerman pronounce aloud to the breathless residents watching the violence unfold "it was self-defense," and place the gun on the ground.

But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective pepppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.

The Sanford Police Department refused to release 911 calls by witnesses and neighbors.

Several of the calls, ABC News has learned, contain the sound of the single gunshot.

Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmerman's word at the scene that he had no police record.

Two days later during a meeting with Trayvon's father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmerman's record was "squeaky clean."

Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged.

Zimmerman has not responded to requests for a comment.

"I asked [the police] well did you check out my son's record?" Tracy Martin told ABC News in an interview Sunday. "What about his?...Trayvon was innocent."
I know it's an outdated article but still some of the statements in this article got me shaking my head...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...s-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T3Il7XnNllm
 

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Romo_To_Dez;4482182 said:
The same could be asked of Zimmerman if he was afraid of this 6' 3" kid why get out of the truck in the first place? Do we even know that Zimmerman was fully at his truck? Did they check the position of Trayvon's body to confirm that Zimmerman was at his truck when the shooting happened? If Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and never had followed Trayvon then things might have ended differently.


Why didn't Zimmerman just let the cops handle this without following or approaching at all? You can say that he had the "right" to do what he did.

No matter how you look at it in one way or the other Zimmerman sparked a chain of events that got a 17 year old killed, Self Defense or not.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch he was supposed to be there and yes looking out for suspiouse people. You say he chased him or was he following and what was the distance he followed at? Did Zimmerman chase him down and corner him? Does not seem to be the case it appears that when told to stop he did and then returned to his car so then why does the kid go to Zimmerman’s car? How does this make sense?
 

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Romo_To_Dez;4482202 said:
Now they are showing pictures of Trayvon as an older Kid.

Complaint one, the Media is one sided against Zimmerman, now they are reporting suspensions and other troubles that Trayvon had.

Complaint two showing young pictures of Trayvon now they are showing older pictures.

SO the Media is not being one sided right now.


If the SPD never mishandled this case then it would never have been national news the way I see it. People can blame the Media as much as they want to, the SPD owes some answers to Trayvon's family at least.

Media is doing it for ratings period. I do agree the police botched this but I was wrong to say Zimmerman was not brought it evidently he was.
 

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Doomsday101;4482212 said:
Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch he was supposed to be there and yes looking out for suspiouse people. You say he chased him or was he following and what was the distance he followed at? Did Zimmerman chase him down and corner him? Does not seem to be the case it appears that when told to stop he did and then returned to his car so then why does the kid go to Zimmerman’s car? How does this make sense?


If you believe the GF's statement Zimmerman at least got close enough to ask "What are you doing here?" If this is true and Trayvon peacefully answered where is the guarantee that Zimmerman would have believed him sense he already saw Trayvon as a "****** who always gets away"?


From Neighborhood watch people who have spoken on this case, they are suppose to be the eyes and the ears of the cops and just report things and not engage in any way with the "Suspect"

So while Zimmerman may not have done anything wrong, he may have over stepped his duties as a Neighborhood watch person according to some people
 

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Romo_To_Dez;4482202 said:
Now they are showing pictures of Trayvon as an older Kid.

Complaint one, the Media is one sided against Zimmerman, now they are reporting suspensions and other troubles that Trayvon had.

Complaint two showing young pictures of Trayvon now they are showing older pictures.

SO the Media is not being one sided right now.


If the SPD never mishandled this case then it would never have been national news the way I see it. People can blame the Media as much as they want to, the SPD owes some answers to Trayvon's family at least.

once you set the forest on fire...

and SPD didn't mishandle it. they're just not letting the public be the judge/jury. that seems to make a lot of people mad cause they have to wait for info, but they should NOT just start releasing info to make the mob happy and go against their own process.
 

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iceberg;4482237 said:
once you set the forest on fire...

and SPD didn't mishandle it. they're just not letting the public be the judge/jury. that seems to make a lot of people mad cause they have to wait for info, but they should NOT just start releasing info to make the mob happy and go against their own process.


I disagree and believe that they did mishandled it. But you don't have to agree with me
 

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Romo_To_Dez;4482245 said:
I disagree and believe that they did mishandled it. But you don't have to agree with me

no, that's fine. i'm 110% aware mine is not a popular opinion in that regard.
 

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Romo_To_Dez;4482233 said:
If you believe the GF's statement Zimmerman at least got close enough to ask "What are you doing here?" If this is true and Trayvon peacefully answered where is the guarantee that Zimmerman would have believed him sense he already saw Trayvon as a "****** who always gets away"?


From Neighborhood watch people who have spoken on this case, they are suppose to be the eyes and the ears of the cops and just report things and not engage in any way with the "Suspect"

So while Zimmerman may not have done anything wrong, he may have over stepped his duties as a Neighborhood watch person according to some people

He may have but Martin did not help matters by confronting Zimmerman after Zimmerman has walked away as he was told and was going to his vehicle.
 

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I have to agree with doom. Many of us rushed to judgement (myself included), and thought Zim needed to hang. After reports that came out today, I'm pretty upset with myself for taking what the media spoon fed us as truth.

What a crock. There is ALOT more to this story than we know.
 

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CowboyWay;4482251 said:
I have to agree with doom. Many of us rushed to judgement (myself included), and thought Zim needed to hang. After reports that came out today, I'm pretty upset with myself for taking what the media spoon fed us as truth.

What a crock. There is ALOT more to this story than we know.

you're not the only one who's had to eat some crow. i pm'd eric about it 2-3 days ago when i did my own 180 and decided to wait it out.
 

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CowboyWay;4482251 said:
I have to agree with doom. Many of us rushed to judgement (myself included), and thought Zim needed to hang. After reports that came out today, I'm pretty upset with myself for taking what the media spoon fed us as truth.

What a crock. There is ALOT more to this story than we know.

Right there with ya ......
 
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