Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[03EBZ06]

I'm not saying they didn't but maybe not as bad we have been lead to believe as more and more is coming out.

People make claims well the police did not take his gun? BS they did that was a bad report.

Hell it started off with people saying they did not bring him in they did for several hours they intended to file charges it was the prosecutor’s office who told them not to. If the Prosecutors office tells them to cut a suspect loose they are going to do so

I agree that lot of criticism centered around the SPD is unwarranted, however maybe there was insufficient evidence because of SPD's botched up investigation in this incident which was presented to the State Prosecutor?

 

[vta]

Thanks for doing my dirty works Dooms. I couldn't find where I'd read that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree that lot of criticism centered around the SPD is unwarranted, however maybe there was insufficient evidence because of SPD's botched up investigation in this incident which was presented to the State Prosecutor?

Maybe but every day that goes by a new maybe comes into play. Maybe they did their job right I don't know

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks for doing my dirty works Dooms. I couldn't find where I'd read that.

No problem trying to get myself more educated on this but also taking these reports with some reservations.

 

[vta]

No problem trying to get myself more educated on this but also taking these reports with some reservations.

True. Opinions and facts crisscrossing are making it hard to know what's true.

 

[iceberg]

Maybe but every day that goes by a new maybe comes into play. Maybe they did their job right I don't know

been saying they didn't mess up for awhile now.

 

[Doomsday101]

True. Opinions and facts crisscrossing are making it hard to know what's true.

Hopefully this investigation will come to an end fairly soon and we move on from there. Again though my fear is because so much speculations has been treated as fact by those in political circles as well as some of these activist that if the outcome does not go as they want we could likely see riots. You fan the flames enough and facts and reason go out the window. If this does end up being the case then a lot more people are going to be hurt or worse.

 

[Doomsday101]

been saying they didn't mess up for awhile now.

I don't know. I will say I would not see a reason or motive for them not to do their job.

 

[Brian_C82]

As far as I know, there is only one eyewitness to the actual altercation, and he insists that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. He also insists that it was Zimmerman who cried out for help.

I don't know how anyone who wasn't watching the altercation could know who was crying out. None of them knew Martin or Zimmerman. Just because Martin was 17 doesn't mean he had a higher pitched voice than Zimmerman. That is a ridiculous assumption to make.

It's easy to say that the police screwed up if you aren't familiar with police work. The police are probably well aware that witnesses often give contradictory accounts. They probably gave greater weight to witnesses who saw the event in question, and less weight to witnesses who were speculating about what they heard. None of this means that SPD is racist or biased.

 

[03EBZ06]

I don't know. I will say I would not see a reason or motive for them not to do their job.

One does not need a motivation to perform poorly, ineptness can lead to poor performance of duty.

 

[Doomsday101]

One does not need a motivation to perform poorly, ineptness can lead to poor performance of duty.

True, mistakes even by those with the best intentions can make mistakes. Did they at this time I can't say they did or didn't. Many things I was lead to believe turned out not to be the facts.

 

[03EBZ06]

As far as I know, there is only one eyewitness to the actual altercation, and he insists that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. He also insists that it was Zimmerman who cried out for help.

I don't know how anyone who wasn't watching the altercation could know who was crying out. None of them knew Martin or Zimmerman. Just because Martin was 17 doesn't mean he had a higher pitched voice than Zimmerman. That is a ridiculous assumption to make.

It's easy to say that the police screwed up if you aren't familiar with police work. The police are probably well aware that witnesses often give contradictory accounts. They probably gave greater weight to witnesses who saw the event in question, and less weight to witnesses who were speculating about what they heard. None of this means that SPD is racist or biased.

A 13 year old boy who was walking a dog at the time of altercation witness the the altercation between GZ and TM and he stated that he saw two men on the ground but they were separated.

 

[casmith07]

you didn't answer though, if the shooter was black and the dead white, would the charge have been dropped so to speak

You won't get a straight answer to that question, is my guess/opinion.

 

[iceberg]

You won't get a straight answer to that question, is my guess/opinion.

if 2 white kids poured gas on a black kid and lit him on fire because he was black, would there be media outrage then?

you won't get a straight answer because it's speculation and opinion.

 

[03EBZ06]

True, mistakes even by those with the best intentions can make mistakes. Did they at this time I can't say they did or didn't. Many things I was lead to believe turned out not to be the facts.

When I read a report of SPD cops correcting/coaching witnesses and failed to perform adequate background checks, I tend to believe they were inept and nonchalant about this case, but that's just me

 

[The30YardSlant]

you didn't answer though, if the shooter was black and the dead white, would the charge have been dropped so to speak

The more relevant question is would this be a story at all if the shooter was black and the dead kid white? Or perhaps why is the shooter being called "white" at all?

 

[Doomsday101]

You won't get a straight answer to that question, is my guess/opinion.

Why? Myself I'm not looking at this as a black vs white case. So many of the so called black leaders have from a congressman wearing a hoodie during session? Come on Sharpton holding rally then reporting on it on MSNBC? And a number of others.

I want justice done based on fact not color of the gunman or the color of the victim.

 

[Doomsday101]

When I read a report of SPD cops correcting/coaching witnesses and failed to perform adequate background checks, I tend to believe they were inept and nonchalant about this case, but that's just me

Hopefully the entire investagation will lead to answers both in terms of what took place as well as the handling of the investigation itself.

 

[CowboyWay]

A 13 year old boy who was walking a dog at the time of altercation witness the the altercation between GZ and TM and he stated that he saw two men on the ground but they were separated.

Few things are obvious about this case, except this. I read the same report, but think about it. Why were they on the ground? They obviously weren't playing patty cake. There was a tussle. This 13 year old obviously saw it in the middle of the tussle. But even that brings about more questions. What else did he see? Did he stay to see the shooting? Or did he run off not wanting to get involved? I don't know.

The three witness accounts I've read had two of them saying they saw Zim on the ground screaming for help. The third account was just a woman who "heard" the scuffle, and then when she actually looked after a gun when off, she said she saw zim standing over the body.

Yet she said that she thought it was TM who was screaming because immedietely after the shot, the screaming stopped. This makes no sense to me, because if I'm screaming for my life, and I just shoot my assailant, I'm going to quit screaming because I know the assailant is down. Her account to me is poor.

 

[casmith07]

if 2 white kids poured gas on a black kid and lit him on fire because he was black, would there be media outrage then?

you won't get a straight answer because it's speculation and opinion.

Straight answer? There would be outrage.

The point I was trying to make with my statement is that for a lot of people, acknowledging that something might be racially charged makes a lot of people uncomfortable, so they'd rather avoid it than have a discussion about it.