New Dallas Cowboy Greg Hardy: 'I don't care if [you] like me'

[erod]

It gets tiresome, doesn't it? The DA didn't feel he had solid enough evidence to pursue the case but we've got a bunch of posters on the Zone who've got it all figured out.

Uh, he was convicted. Then he asked for a jury trial, and she didn't show up. She got paid.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I don't care of his reason I don't care for men who beat on women and that is one thing he did. I'm not painting her as some loving or caring woman but she sure as hell did not beat herself up. For those who choose to stand behind Hardy good for them I tend not to have much respect for a man who beats up women, I'm funny that way. I don't look at a man and say well gosh he can play football therefore what he does on his time is really not important.

Yet you celebrate Harvey Martin with each new post. You let him form part of your pictorial representation on this forum (and have for as long as I can remember). Bravo! Way to glorify men who beat on women.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Uh, he was convicted. Then he asked for a jury trial, and she didn't show up. She got paid.

Uh:

1. You're speculating.

2.

Victims and witnesses routinely stop cooperating in domestic-abuse cases and prosecutors still take the cases to court. [District Attorney] Murray, though, said the Hardy case was different. He also appeared to raise doubts about Holder’s credibility in a statement to the judge.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/incoming/article10422650.html#storylink=cpy

 

[iceberg]

I don't care of his reason I don't care for men who beat on women and that is one thing he did. I'm not painting her as some loving or caring woman but she sure as hell did not beat herself up. For those who choose to stand behind Hardy good for them I tend not to have much respect for a man who beats up women, I'm funny that way. I don't look at a man and say well gosh he can play football therefore what he does on his time is really not important.

i used to always think there was never a situation where hitting a woman made sense. the trouble with absolutes is their inability to be flexible.

once in college, i was at an apartment complex party and having a great time. i was outside with a few others drinking a cold one and some attractive girl comes out and she says some guy is inside threatening her, acting violently and "other" stuff and she asked if she could stand next to me until the guy left. i said "sure!" thinking this could be a good way to win points.

a few minute later a guy i knew from gym came out, saw her, and started to walk away from things to get around here and simply leave. she got in his way, and without word or warning, kicked the holy bat guana out of his nuts, putting him on the ground.

i looked at her and told her she was on her own so she quickly left. when the guy could get up, he said he was kidding around about some things inside that may have gotten out of hand (and people i directly knew told me the same, she was just seriously over-reacting at a party) and he finally got to the point where he told her they needed to just not be sitting close to each other so he got up and went to the kitchen to get a beer. she came outside and the rest, i've said.

the guy in no way deserved to be kicked, certainly not there. she was just freaking out and likely on something (she was i found out later, don't remember what but not just drunk) and causing the problems.

now again, this is like '87. he didn't hit her, didn't threaten to go after her, never talked to her again (and i believe he had to drop a class to get rid of her completely) and so forth - but like i told her, he made no threatening gestures when he came outside and seemed to be going out of his way to get around her and she ran to him and he had no idea what was about to happen.

you can do with that what you will. i've also had friends have their g-friend call police and blame the guy for beating her up and yes, she had bruises that i know the guy didn't put there. so while i appreciate this "never under any circumstances" approach, it's not realistic to think everyone will react the same way and live by the guidelines you set for yourself. to make it a blanket statement of "DON'T DO IT" seems to be more for you than the understanding of the situation.

again, i have no idea what hardy did. i did some research on the girl and it wasn't pretty either, but no one seems to care about that.

only hardy.

so if you're going to say if he were a skin we'd not care that's likely true.

but if hardy weren't a football player, you'd not care either unless you were directly involved.

 

[iceberg]

Uh, he was convicted. Then he asked for a jury trial, and she didn't show up. She got paid.

or she knew her name and past would suddenly be called out and that would likely have killed any attempt at money.

it was his legal right to ask for a jury trial. why people are upset about that tells me they honestly don't give a damn about facts, just hate hardy.

 

[casmith07]

I don't care of his reason I don't care for men who beat on women and that is one thing he did. I'm not painting her as some loving or caring woman but she sure as hell did not beat herself up. For those who choose to stand behind Hardy good for them I tend not to have much respect for a man who beats up women, I'm funny that way. I don't look at a man and say well gosh he can play football therefore what he does on his time is really not important.

Sorry, Dooms. Speculation is not fact.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, Dooms. Speculation is not fact.

and i also knew a girl who did put bruises on herself to show off when the police got there.

not every abused female is a damsel in distress. some of them are just a f'in trap.

 

[casmith07]

and i also knew a girl who did put bruises on herself to show off when the police got there.

not even abused female is a damsel in distress. some of them are just a f'in trap.

"Just do it already - get it over with, kill me" are the words of someone who in all likelihood is coked out.

I have also seen the same thing you're saying. Both in my personal capacity and in my professional capacity.

Do women get abused? Absolutely. Do some lie about it? Absolutely.

I think this one falls in the latter category.

 

[MRV52]

Hey Kracken, you do care what everyone thinks. If not, you wouldn't have said, tweeted, anything. But you did, so you care.

Just shut your suck hole and get ready to play!

 

[iceberg]

"Just do it already - get it over with, kill me" are the words of someone who in all likelihood is coked out.

I have also seen the same thing you're saying. Both in my personal capacity and in my professional capacity.

Do women get abused? Absolutely. Do some lie about it? Absolutely.

I think this one falls in the latter category.

and i think it's cherry picking to pretend it doesn't. when you go after hardy and search his past to hold against him, hold her to the same "truth".

 

[Spectre]

This guy is appearing more and more immature. Immaturity is not conducive to long-term reliability. I hope he straightens out. Otherwise he can just log 20 sacks for us this season... before departing to be another team's (expensive) headache next year. I'm remaining optimistic, Hardy- now's a great time to get it together man.

 

[Doomsday101]

i used to always think there was never a situation where hitting a woman made sense. the trouble with absolutes is their inability to be flexible.

once in college, i was at an apartment complex party and having a great time. i was outside with a few others drinking a cold one and some attractive girl comes out and she says some guy is inside threatening her, acting violently and "other" stuff and she asked if she could stand next to me until the guy left. i said "sure!" thinking this could be a good way to win points.

a few minute later a guy i knew from gym came out, saw her, and started to walk away from things to get around here and simply leave. she got in his way, and without word or warning, kicked the holy bat guana out of his nuts, putting him on the ground.

i looked at her and told her she was on her own so she quickly left. when the guy could get up, he said he was kidding around about some things inside that may have gotten out of hand (and people i directly knew told me the same, she was just seriously over-reacting at a party) and he finally got to the point where he told her they needed to just not be sitting close to each other so he got up and went to the kitchen to get a beer. she came outside and the rest, i've said.

the guy in no way deserved to be kicked, certainly not there. she was just freaking out and likely on something (she was i found out later, don't remember what but not just drunk) and causing the problems.

now again, this is like '87. he didn't hit her, didn't threaten to go after her, never talked to her again (and i believe he had to drop a class to get rid of her completely) and so forth - but like i told her, he made no threatening gestures when he came outside and seemed to be going out of his way to get around her and she ran to him and he had no idea what was about to happen.

you can do with that what you will. i've also had friends have their g-friend call police and blame the guy for beating her up and yes, she had bruises that i know the guy didn't put there. so while i appreciate this "never under any circumstances" approach, it's not realistic to think everyone will react the same way and live by the guidelines you set for yourself. to make it a blanket statement of "DON'T DO IT" seems to be more for you than the understanding of the situation.

again, i have no idea what hardy did. i did some research on the girl and it wasn't pretty either, but no one seems to care about that.

only hardy.

so if you're going to say if he were a skin we'd not care that's likely true.

but if hardy weren't a football player, you'd not care either unless you were directly involved.

Hardy is a 6'4" 275 pounds athlete, you can always walk away from a situation. Judge had no issue giving him 60 days , 18 month probation before then it was appealed. Saying we all react differently? Sure some guys choose to walk away instead of beating a woman and some men choose to beat a woman thus in my view the man is a scum bag.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry, Dooms. Speculation is not fact.

and pretending like the woman beat herself up is a joke. Acting like nothing happened is a joke. Sorry is people choose to defend him because now he is a Cowboy fine I seriously doubt many would be defending anything about him if he was in Philly or Washington.

 

[Air Force One]

I seriously doubt many would be defending anything about him if he was in Philly or Washington.

Yeah, so? He's a Cowboy now so we circle the wagons. If you got a problem with it you can always boycott Cowboy games and picket outside the stadium.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, so? He's a Cowboy now so we circle the wagons. If you got a problem with it you can always boycott Cowboy games and picket outside the stadium.

I pull for the Cowboys does not mean I am a fan of Hardy. I was no fan of TO or Pacman Jones but did not stop me from pulling for the Cowboys. Greg Hardy is not the Cowboys he is a scum bag brought in on a offer that provides the Cowboys with some protection on a 1 year deal.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I don't Care If U Like Me

Well, there's your problem.

 

[erod]

or she knew her name and past would suddenly be called out and that would likely have killed any attempt at money.

it was his legal right to ask for a jury trial. why people are upset about that tells me they honestly don't give a damn about facts, just hate hardy.

Oh, BS. Did you hear the tapes?

I'm sure she's no princess, but stop making excuses for him.

 

[casmith07]

and i think it's cherry picking to pretend it doesn't. when you go after hardy and search his past to hold against him, hold her to the same "truth".

He's never had an incident in his life. Most male abusers have a history of abusive or violent behavior.

This guy is appearing more and more immature. Immaturity is not conducive to long-term reliability. I hope he straightens out. Otherwise he can just log 20 sacks for us this season... before departing to be another team's (expensive) headache next year. I'm remaining optimistic, Hardy- now's a great time to get it together man.

He's 26 years old.

and pretending like the woman beat herself up is a joke. Acting like nothing happened is a joke. Sorry is people choose to defend him because now he is a Cowboy fine I seriously doubt many would be defending anything about him if he was in Philly or Washington.

Nobody is pretending she beat herself up. And I defended this story long before this season was ever over when he was still a Carolina Panther. I said it before -- any time you appeal a MISDEMEANOR A1 assault conviction to a higher court for a jury trial (particularly understanding that a "jury of your peers" threshold is about a 4th grade reading level), there's more to the story than the popular media spin would have you believe. I also posted before that I have a contact who is familiar with the situation. There just ain't any fire where the smoke is coming from on this one. Folks should move on.

 

[JoeKing]

I'm still pissed that the league would suspend this man even one more game. The legal system has had it's due diligence with him and that should be enough but now his employer wishes to persecute him a second time. I expect the Kraken to be released on our opponent week 1.

 

[erod]

Question to the homers and apologists...

If the evidence is so shaky, why did Carolina just walk away from the best defensive end rusher in the league? Why did 30 other teams not even get involved? Why is Dallas only willing to commit to one year? Why did his first-round talent drop to the sixth round in the draft? Why did Ole Miss coaches warn NFL coaches to stay away from him?

Just stop. I hope the guy works out, and I'm sure he'll add to the pass rush. But I won't check my integrity and logic at the door just because I'm a Cowboys fan.