News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[CCBoy]

Don't understand a thing you just said but facts are clear, Jimmy built a team that won THREE rings, what has Jerry done since. 12 win seasons don't mean jack without a ring. And TWO 12 win seasons 20 years after Jimmy is pathetic whatever fruits you are comparing.

No, he mailed in one of those, and that is not a true account. Just go ahead and state it, you have a fond affection for the man...and NO, the man won TWO, and was a Benedict Arnold. I won't reward him for that cowardice as well.

And the score still IS: Three Lombardis in the trophy case outside of Jerry Jones. Sorry...take up the guitar and play that song out for real.

 

[CCBoy]

Ccboy you really need medical attention. Many of us served, that is not comparable to football. Comparing it is an insult. Semper Fi.

If you bellow as a bull, and then insult on merit of courage...never mind. End of all talk with you. Any more comment from you, BETTER be in a pm. Enough said when you start nothing above insult. Good night.

 

[Doomsay]

We didn't need Wisnewski and Walsh lit a fire under Troy. Troy himself states that Cowboys win FIVE SBs if Jimmy stayed. That doesn't sound like luck.

I can't believe we are having this discussion. A 3, should have been 5, Super Bowl winner vs. a proven 20 year loser. A football varient of the Stockholm syndrome seems to be playing out here where fans express empathy for the football amateurs that have hijacked their team for the past two decades.

 

[jnday]

You haven't proven a single point beyond attempting to bad mouth Jerry Jones...and using your standard. Jerry - 3 Lombardis, Jimmy - 2 Lombardis

I have given Jerry credit for being a good owner. Jimmy's teams won three Super Bowls. At that time Jimmy was head of all football operations. Jerry gets credit for hiring Jimmy, but that is all that Jerry has done. Jerry has won 0 Super Bosls since Jimmy's team fell apart. Exactly where am I wrong?

 

[jnday]

Bottom line, without Jimmy does Jerry build dynasty and win 3 SBs? Jimmy built dynasty and won championship with MIami U without Jerry. What has Jerry done without Jimmy?

Nothing, Jerry is a "wannabe" football GM, but he doesn't have the ability and his ego demands all the credit. Even during these losing seasons, he makes sure that everybody knows he is in charge.

 

[unionjack8]

The perpetuated myth of Jerry was just a bystander. Give them both credit. Both turned into pumpkins.

He was a bystander, as he should have been.

 

[unionjack8]

This is the biggest joke argument of all.

You think that every team hasn't experienced a situation where they targeted someone else, and ended up taking someone else and have it turn out well for them? At the end of the day, Johnson did select Emmitt Smith. Instead of backs like Tony Smith, Steve Broussard, Darrell Thompson or Anthony Thompson. Must have been lucky on his part to have avoided those backs.

How about the 49ers, where Bill Walsh wanted Steve Dils or Steve Fuller, but settled for Joe Montana?

Literally, outside of the team with the first overall pick, every team targets a player, and doesn't always get them.

Ownage......great post

 

[Eddie]

Are there really still Jerry apologists out there? 20 years of mediocrity hasn't changed your mind?

4-12 doesn't mean anything?

 

[Dodger12]

Are there really still Jerry apologists out there? 20 years of mediocrity hasn't changed your mind?

4-12 doesn't mean anything?

Yes Sir....even to the point that we have to discredit a coach who built a dynasty which directly resulted in 3 SB victories.

"Yeah, so we won multiple SB's with Jimmy........what the hell did he do in Miami???" That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

 

[AbeBeta]

We didn't need Wisnewski and Walsh lit a fire under Troy. Troy himself states that Cowboys win FIVE SBs if Jimmy stayed. That doesn't sound like luck.

You need to waste #1 overall to motivate a QB? Yeah. Smart move. Genius.

And honestly, just because someone played "coulda woulda" don't make it true

 

[TheDallasDon]

Picking Julius Jones over Steven Jackson didn't help either.

Shhhhhh.....that was under Parcells and he kept Jerry in his place

Now let's get back to our chant "We Suck!" "We Suck!"

 

[birdwells1]

Not really, more picks dont mean you get the starter type players.
it would just help with being lucky.

one good recent example is Escobar, a guy they used a 2nd for and then have never really utilized him.
Picking a TE for his hands, and then not using him is a wasted pick.

Street ,williams, wilcox are examples of mediocre players to sub par players, and 2 are starting, but are not really good enough
to be starters.

Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why
my take is that he was a better HC, better gameplanner, better motivator , better at drafting, was very intense and demanding.
Jimmy got mad after wins if the team played poorly.
He used psychology to make the players want to win and be confident,
not fight T shirts, and mannequins.

Preach brother!!

 

[birdwells1]

The perpetuated myth of Jerry was just a bystander. Give them both credit. Both turned into pumpkins.

I can't do that because it puts them on the same level and the coach of a back to back super bowl champion deserves more credit than that. Neither was as successful when apart but Jerry's had many more chances, how long has Jimmy been with Fox?

Jimmy's playoff wins in 4 years with Miami=2
Jerry's playoff wins last 20 years with Dallas =3

 

[wileedog]

Do I think that Jerry has made mistakes...ALL OWNERS DO..

Absolutely. Every NFL owner makes mistakes. For some franchises, they make them pretty regularly, for others not so much.

The difference is the good ones learn to correct those mistakes. With most teams the owner's mistake is hiring the wrong GM or front office staff. And if they don't produce in a few years, the good owners change direction and move on to the next one.

But that's Jerry's biggest failing. He hired Jerry Jones as GM in the mid-90's. And for twenty years of mediocrity, horrific trades, blown drafts, a merry go round of incompetent and (save 1) sycophant coaches, he refuses to fire the GM and change direction. And even as he approaches retirement he is prepared to hand over the whole shebang to his son, whose sole qualification for running the Cowboys is coming out of Mrs. Jones.

Yes all owners make mistakes. Not all owners stubbornly refuse to admit their biggest one for twenty years.

 

[JoeKing]

Shhhhhh.....that was under Parcells and he kept Jerry in his place

Now let's get back to our chant "We Suck!" "We Suck!"

lol, Parcells is an overrated blowhard. Considering Jerry owns the team lock stock and barrel, exactly what does "kept Jerry in his place" mean? Jerry won three Super Bowls without Parcells on the payroll and zero with him on the payroll. So that sounds like to me your idea of "keeping Jerry in his place" is not such a wise thing in all cases. There are times when Jerry needs to be held in check like when he wanted to draft Johnny Football but his son Stephen stopped him. But Jerry has made some mighty fine deals for this team (Hershel Walker deal comes to mind). You'd be wise to stop bowing at the feet of the Tuna and understand the old fart that owns the team deserves more respect than you give him. But when all you want to do is chant "We Suck!", I don't expect any of this to click with you. Exactly who are you including in that "We"? If it's you and the frog in your pocket then yeah, I agree. You do suck. You and your green friend can go suck an egg. The Dallas Cowboys have a long proud history that I am very proud of and privileged to have wittiness first hand. Fans of that... don't "suck".

 

[jobberone]

He was a bystander, as he should have been.

Whatever blows your dress up.

 

[jobberone]

I can't do that because it puts them on the same level and the coach of a back to back super bowl champion deserves more credit than that. Neither was as successful when apart but Jerry's had many more chances, how long has Jimmy been with Fox?

Jimmy's playoff wins in 4 years with Miami=2
Jerry's playoff wins last 20 years with Dallas =3

Jimmy playoff wins since 93 = 2
Jerry playoff wins since 93 = 7

I'm not a Jerry fan but facts are facts. Compare apples to apples.

 

[DandyDon52]

At his age then, you're buying into an out of gas excuse?

not out of gas, just didnt have the same motivation that he did in dallas.
Also building a team like he did in dallas is different than trying to fix a team like miami with marino at end of his career.

 

[TheDallasDon]

lol, Parcells is an overrated blowhard. Considering Jerry owns the team lock stock and barrel, exactly what does "kept Jerry in his place" mean? Jerry won three Super Bowls without Parcells on the payroll and zero with him on the payroll. So that sounds like to me your idea of "keeping Jerry in his place" is not such a wise thing in all cases. There are times when Jerry needs to be held in check like when he wanted to draft Johnny Football but his son Stephen stopped him. But Jerry has made some mighty fine deals for this team (Hershel Walker deal comes to mind). You'd be wise to stop bowing at the feet of the Tuna and understand the old fart that owns the team deserves more respect than you give him. But when all you want to do is chant "We Suck!", I don't expect any of this to click with you. Exactly who are you including in that "We"? If it's you and the frog in your pocket then yeah, I agree. You do suck. You and your green friend can go suck an egg. The Dallas Cowboys have a long proud history that I am very proud of and privileged to have wittiness first hand. Fans of that... don't "suck".

He didn't, IIRC Jerry made Bill pick Ware before Spears

 

[birdwells1]

Jimmy playoff wins since 93 = 2
Jerry playoff wins since 93 = 7

I'm not a Jerry fan but facts are facts. Compare apples to apples.

Are we really going to act like that wasn't Jimmy's team that won that last one? Really?

And if we are then
Jimmy 2 playoff wins in 4 years (because that's ludicrous to say since '93 like he's still coaching, he can't win a game on the pregame show... smh)
Jerrys 7 playoff wins in 23 years