News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[Gameover]

Playoff teams don't count I guess .

Jerry built one that everybody seems to ignore.

Jimmy won 2(?) playoff games in Miami. One against a 9-7 Patriots team and the other against Flutie Flakes! Mike Shannahan without Elway like. And every playoff exit was a humiliating one for the Jimster.

That's what happens when you don't inherent a gold mine of talent and the number one overall pick with an all time stud qb prospect waiting to be selected.

Jimmy's great. But Jimmy fell into a greater situation. So great, selecting Russell Maryland number one overall can be looked at as one of his successes in hinsight.

 

[CCBoy]

The three most underrated contributors to the Cowboys success in the 1990's were Bob Ackles, Dick Mansperger and John Wooten. All holdovers from the prior regime, and all gone from the organization by 1992 thanks to Jerry Jones wanting Stephen to branch into personnel.

Rewriting history?

 

[CCBoy]

In Miami, Jimmy Johnson managed to draft Daryl Gardener, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Zach Thomas, Kenny Mixon and Lorenzo Bromell - basically the core of a very good defense for nearly ten years.

Where he came up short was drafting on the offensive side of the ball. He didn't draft any offensive difference makers - only spare parts like Stanley Pritchett, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Ed Perry and Rob Konrad.

For as bad as Johnson was in Miami, from the time he took over the Dolphins until the present, the Cowboys have won one more playoff game than his Dolphins did - and Johnson hasn't coached for the last 16 years.

Go ahead and prove a point of success...Jimmy was in Miami for how many years? Four to five? And from players directly drafted by him, just how many again, made the Pro Bowl, and how many were All Pro? Prove your point beyond conjesturing up who you now claim are great. Maybe his records should be presented now as well.

 

[CCBoy]

He made bad moves. Like trading Wisnewski. He tried like heck to trade up for a series of bums one year. No one bit so he settled for Emmitt Smith - that's luck not great evaluation. He gave up what turned out to be the #1 overall pick for Steve Walsh - he already had Troy. That's some talent evaluation!

But it clearly says in this here folk ballad, that Jimmah' was good, and Jerrah' was bad...

 

[J_Allen]

I firmly believe had that running back from LSU - Cecil Collins - not broken his leg then he would have had the Dolphins back in the Super Bowl.

 

[CCBoy]

Playoff teams don't count I guess .

Since you say that it doesn't count for Cowboys team from Bill Parcells forward...why should it count as a counter to anything positive for anyone else?

 

[CCBoy]

I firmly believe had that running back from LSU - Cecil Collins - not broken his leg then he would have had the Dolphins back in the Super Bowl.

You DIDN'T say but for injury after last season for the Cowboys did you?

 

[CCBoy]

He made bad moves. Like trading Wisnewski. He tried like heck to trade up for a series of bums one year. No one bit so he settled for Emmitt Smith - that's luck not great evaluation. He gave up what turned out to be the #1 overall pick for Steve Walsh - he already had Troy. That's some talent evaluation!

Yea, he had a fist full of can't misses for his defense...and then Emmitt.

 

[CCBoy]

jimmy Johnson didn't just have pro bowl players he won superbowls winning championships trumps pro bowls players

Actually, the coordinators that were finally settled upon, carried Jimmy Johnson's team, game to game.

 

[Plankton]

For the panning of the Steve Walsh selection, here's what the Cowboys netted in trading Walsh to the Saints:

The initial trade: Cowboys sent Steve Walsh to the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st and 3rd round picks in the 1991 Draft, and their 2nd round pick in the 1992 Draft.

Subsequent moves:

• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Saints, #14 overall (RB Leonard Russell), to the Patriots for their 1st Rounder, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), and their 4th Rounder, #110 overall (DE Kevin Harris).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Patriots, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), to the Commanders for their 1st Rounder, #20 overall (DT Kelvin Pritchett), and their 5th Rounder, #132 overall (LB Darrick Brownlow).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the draft rights to 1st Round pick, #20 overall, DT Kelvin Pritchett, to the Lions for their 2nd Rounder, #37 overall (LB Dixon Edwards), their 3rd Rounder, #64 overall (OG James Richards) and their 4th Rounder, #108 overall (DE Tony Hill).
• 1992 - Cowboys trade the 2nd Rounder from the Saints, #52 overall (WR Patrick Rowe), the Cowboys 3rd Rounder, #78 overall (LB Gerald Dixon), 6th Rounder, #163 overall (DT George Williams), the Broncos 8th Rounder (acquired in the Dave Widell trade), #222 overall (QB Mike Pawlawski), and the 12th Rounder, #329 overall (OG Tim Simpson) for the Browns 2nd Rounder, #36 overall (WR Jimmy Smith) and their 5th Rounder, #121 overall (OG Rod Milstead).

The End Result of the trade:

Cowboys trade QB Steve Walsh for:

• LB Dixon Edwards
• OG James Richards (cut in camp)
• OT Erik Williams
• DE Kevin Harris (lasted one season)
• DE Tony Hill (released during second season)
• WR Jimmy Smith (was released during second season - appendicitis leading to workers compensation lawsuit)
• OG Rod Milstead (traded to Browns during 1992 training camp)

 

[CCBoy]

Proof is in the pudding. Jimmy did not just luck into creating winning culture and finding championship players in 5 seasons. Building dynasties, especially one of the most dominant dynasties ever, do not occur by happenstance. Otherwise Jerry would have stepped in some of that luck in the 20 plus years after Jimmy.

Yea, he had the luck to wander into a bunch of thorns with Bill Parcells...oh you bet, a total run of polluted paths. Then both Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett each had 12 win seasons and both should have made it as far as the NFC Championship games. Pretty Lame alright.

 

[mrmojo]

Man Jimmy built a dynasty here ....without him they don't sniff a super bowl.. it all started with him...I'm surprised at some of the negative comments about him. I wish someone could tell me what coach could have given us similar results with the team he inherited.

 

[CCBoy]

For the panning of the Steve Walsh selection, here's what the Cowboys netted in trading Walsh to the Saints:

The initial trade: Cowboys sent Steve Walsh to the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st and 3rd round picks in the 1991 Draft, and their 2nd round pick in the 1992 Draft.

Subsequent moves:

• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Saints, #14 overall (RB Leonard Russell), to the Patriots for their 1st Rounder, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), and their 4th Rounder, #110 overall (DE Kevin Harris).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Patriots, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), to the Commanders for their 1st Rounder, #20 overall (DT Kelvin Pritchett), and their 5th Rounder, #132 overall (LB Darrick Brownlow).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the draft rights to 1st Round pick, #20 overall, DT Kelvin Pritchett, to the Lions for their 2nd Rounder, #37 overall (LB Dixon Edwards), their 3rd Rounder, #64 overall (OG James Richards) and their 4th Rounder, #108 overall (DE Tony Hill).
• 1992 - Cowboys trade the 2nd Rounder from the Saints, #52 overall (WR Patrick Rowe), the Cowboys 3rd Rounder, #78 overall (LB Gerald Dixon), 6th Rounder, #163 overall (DT George Williams), the Broncos 8th Rounder (acquired in the Dave Widell trade), #222 overall (QB Mike Pawlawski), and the 12th Rounder, #329 overall (OG Tim Simpson) for the Browns 2nd Rounder, #36 overall (WR Jimmy Smith) and their 5th Rounder, #121 overall (OG Rod Milstead).

The End Result of the trade:

Cowboys trade QB Steve Walsh for:

• LB Dixon Edwards
• OG James Richards (cut in camp)
• OT Erik Williams
• DE Kevin Harris (lasted one season)
• DE Tony Hill (released during second season)
• WR Jimmy Smith (was released during second season - appendicitis leading to workers compensation lawsuit)
• OG Rod Milstead (traded to Browns during 1992 training camp)

So, on the 1992 Championship team, what starters were drafted and what two free agents were added to that team? Know what the average age of the Dallas defensive line was back then?

While you are figuring that out, the average age for Doomsday that year was 26.5...

• (Russell Maryland, Robert Jones, Larry Brown and Kevin Smith), were second year players and the two free agents added were (Charles Haley and Thomas Everett).

This was the roster for that '92 Doomsday D-Line:

• 75 Tony Casillas DT
• 94 Charles Haley DE
• 95 Chad Hennings DT/DE
• 90 Tony Hill DE
• 77 Jim Jeffcoat DE
• 97 Jimmie Jones DT
• 78 Leon Lett DT/DE
• 67 Russell Maryland DT
• 92 Tony Tolbert DE

 

[J_Allen]

You DIDN'T say but for injury after last season for the Cowboys did you?

Two different teams and players injured.

 

[CCBoy]

Two different teams and players injured.

Oh, I see what you did there...now that is truly inventive.

 

[J_Allen]

Oh, I see what you did there...now that is truly inventive.

Not everyone cheerleads for the Cowboys 24/7, pal.

 

[AbeBeta]

For the panning of the Steve Walsh selection, here's what the Cowboys netted in trading Walsh to the Saints:

The initial trade: Cowboys sent Steve Walsh to the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st and 3rd round picks in the 1991 Draft, and their 2nd round pick in the 1992 Draft.

Subsequent moves:

• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Saints, #14 overall (RB Leonard Russell), to the Patriots for their 1st Rounder, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), and their 4th Rounder, #110 overall (DE Kevin Harris).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the 1st Rounder from the Patriots, #17 overall (DT Bobby Wilson), to the Commanders for their 1st Rounder, #20 overall (DT Kelvin Pritchett), and their 5th Rounder, #132 overall (LB Darrick Brownlow).
• 1991 - Cowboys trade the draft rights to 1st Round pick, #20 overall, DT Kelvin Pritchett, to the Lions for their 2nd Rounder, #37 overall (LB Dixon Edwards), their 3rd Rounder, #64 overall (OG James Richards) and their 4th Rounder, #108 overall (DE Tony Hill).
• 1992 - Cowboys trade the 2nd Rounder from the Saints, #52 overall (WR Patrick Rowe), the Cowboys 3rd Rounder, #78 overall (LB Gerald Dixon), 6th Rounder, #163 overall (DT George Williams), the Broncos 8th Rounder (acquired in the Dave Widell trade), #222 overall (QB Mike Pawlawski), and the 12th Rounder, #329 overall (OG Tim Simpson) for the Browns 2nd Rounder, #36 overall (WR Jimmy Smith) and their 5th Rounder, #121 overall (OG Rod Milstead).

The End Result of the trade:

Cowboys trade QB Steve Walsh for:

• LB Dixon Edwards
• OG James Richards (cut in camp)
• OT Erik Williams
• DE Kevin Harris (lasted one season)
• DE Tony Hill (released during second season)
• WR Jimmy Smith (was released during second season - appendicitis leading to workers compensation lawsuit)
• OG Rod Milstead (traded to Browns during 1992 training camp)

Stupid to give credit for what a future pick yields. Another team picks the guy and he's an idiot. He clearly doesn't know who will be there a year in advance

 

[AbeBeta]

Yea, he had a fist full of can't misses for his defense...and then Emmitt.

And those can't misses largely missed at this level

 

[AbeBeta]

This is the biggest joke argument of all.

You think that every team hasn't experienced a situation where they targeted someone else, and ended up taking someone else and have it turn out well for them? At the end of the day, Johnson did select Emmitt Smith. Instead of backs like Tony Smith, Steve Broussard, Darrell Thompson or Anthony Thompson. Must have been lucky on his part to have avoided those backs.

How about the 49ers, where Bill Walsh wanted Steve Dils or Steve Fuller, but settled for Joe Montana?

Literally, outside of the team with the first overall pick, every team targets a player, and doesn't always get them.

No. The biggest home is the folks who live in the past and celebrate every Jimmy success while ignoring his big misses

 

[Plankton]

Stupid to give credit for what a future pick yields. Another team picks the guy and he's an idiot. He clearly doesn't know who will be there a year in advance

What was shown was the actual assets obtained with the trade of Steve Walsh. Nothing stupid about it, just the facts. It's up to the individual as to whether the Cowboys did well, or didn't for that matter. Was it worth a shot at Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy? As much as I loved Erik Williams as a player, probably not. But, Williams was critical to the success of the offense, and there's no guarantee that the offense would have had the same success without him.