News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[jnday]

Since you say that it doesn't count for Cowboys team from Bill Parcells forward...why should it count as a counter to anything positive for anyone else?

Do put words in my mouth. I didn't say that, but compare Jimmy's playoff and Super Bowls to the team's Jerry has had his hands on. When Jimmy's team fell apart, so did the Cowboys. There is no changing those facts.

 

[CCBoy]

Jimmy didn't respect Jerry as s football guy and he had no reason to. Jerry is a good owner , but his ego made him want all the credit with the football decisions. He can not be happy with the credit of owning the team. Jerry's ego has proven to be a problem over the years. Despite what you say, Aikman, Irvin, etc didn't want Jimmy to go, so his hard style had not turned the players against him.

The get credit part is media and fan generated. Pride is another view that could be labeled as well. Jerry didn't work well as a team, and agitated the entire process throughout his stay. Including the media as well.

A team grows loyalties, and after Norv Turner turned it around for both Jimmy and the team, concerning Troy Aikman. Stop cherry picking to make the path that you adhere to, as all correct. Naw, Aikman came damn close to leaving the Cowboys, and didn't get his contract in '92, until all the way in December. Troy became the face of the Cowboys, and that shelf life with Jimmy was already set towards confrontations.

Really think that the powder keg that existed between sharing leadership between both Jimmy and Troy would have survived that eventual confrontation? Not unless who just ignores the facts back then...

 

[CCBoy]

Do put words in my mouth. I didn't say that, but compare Jimmy's playoff and Super Bowls to the team's Jerry has had his hands on. When Jimmy's team fell apart, so did the Cowboys. There is no changing those facts.

Again, you place all value in Jimmy and your own legend, without even given validation to many other things going on as well...you just measure it all as you wish. That's what is being done here as well.

Do I think that Jerry has made mistakes...ALL OWNERS DO.

Jimmy never came close to waltzing across the tops of water...he may run a private boat pretty well now, and keep his aquariums top notched.

 

[jnday]

Listen, if one is insultive about roles, then just keep the comment to one's self. Not everyone who disagrees with sidestepping a stated reason, is humbled in what is being termed as ignorance.

If one wishes to disagree as to perceived intent, then take that to a pm and keep the board about discussions.



Back to my comment, not poor team preparations derailed Dallas last season, but the loss of Tony Romo and the top offensive producer in Dez Bryant.

That had nothing to do with competancy in drafting or roles of Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett directly.

But do carry on...

Jerry and Jason has won so many Super Bowls that those injuries had to be the reason they didn't win another . They couldn't even get a backup QB that could win a few games. Weeden was their plan. Poor planning at that.

 

[jnday]

The get credit part is media and fan generated. Pride is another view that could be labeled as well. Jerry didn't work well as a team, and agitated the entire process throughout his stay. Including the media as well.

A team grows loyalties, and after Norv Turner turned it around for both Jimmy and the team, concerning Troy Aikman. Stop cherry picking to make the path that you adhere to, as all correct. Naw, Aikman came damn close to leaving the Cowboys, and didn't get his contract in '92, until all the way in December. Troy became the face of the Cowboys, and that shelf life with Jimmy was already set towards confrontations.

Really think that the powder keg that existed between sharing leadership between both Jimmy and Troy would have survived that eventual confrontation? Not unless who just ignores the facts back then...

There is no leading the blind.

 

[jnday]

Again, you place all value in Jimmy and your own legend, without even given validation to many other things going on as well...you just measure it all as you wish. That's what is being done here as well.

Do I think that Jerry has made mistakes...ALL OWNERS DO.

Jimmy never came close to waltzing across the tops of water...he may run a private boat pretty well now, and keep his aquariums top notched.

He has a history of being a winner too.

 

[CCBoy]

He has a history of being a winner too.

You haven't proven a single point beyond attempting to bad mouth Jerry Jones...and using your standard. Jerry - 3 Lombardis, Jimmy - 2 Lombardis

 

[BAT]

Bottom line, without Jimmy does Jerry build dynasty and win 3 SBs? Jimmy built dynasty and won championship with MIami U without Jerry. What has Jerry done without Jimmy?

 

[DandyDon52]

another thing about jimmy in miami is by the time he got there, he had let up on the gas.

He had already won 2 SB's and was older, so he didnt have as much drive to succeed, since he already had.
Miami was not a good fit and would have taken time, but he wanted to coach in florida.

 

[BAT]

He made bad moves. Like trading Wisnewski. He tried like heck to trade up for a series of bums one year. No one bit so he settled for Emmitt Smith - that's luck not great evaluation. He gave up what turned out to be the #1 overall pick for Steve Walsh - he already had Troy. That's some talent evaluation!

We didn't need Wisnewski and Walsh lit a fire under Troy. Troy himself states that Cowboys win FIVE SBs if Jimmy stayed. That doesn't sound like luck.

 

[BAT]

Yea, he had the luck to wander into a bunch of thorns with Bill Parcells...oh you bet, a total run of polluted paths. Then both Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett each had 12 win seasons and both should have made it as far as the NFC Championship games. Pretty Lame alright.

12 win seasons are nice but give me Lombardis every single time.

 

[CCBoy]

12 win seasons are nice but give me Lombardis every single time.

Every team plays every season to win that...and fans wish for the same.

 

[CCBoy]

We didn't need Wisnewski and Walsh lit a fire under Troy. Troy himself states that Cowboys win FIVE SBs if Jimmy stayed. That doesn't sound like luck.

San Francisco was still a game team at that point, and there was some intense history come NFC Championship times. That just isn't a given, no matter how tastey some feel about it.

Three is an unheard of level, as it is...

 

[BAT]

Every team plays every season to win that...and fans wish for the same.

Difference is that Jimmy won it all, neither Wade and especially Garrett did not.

 

[CCBoy]

another thing about jimmy in miami is by the time he got there, he had let up on the gas.

He had already won 2 SB's and was older, so he didnt have as much drive to succeed, since he already had.
Miami was not a good fit and would have taken time, but he wanted to coach in florida.

At his age then, you're buying into an out of gas excuse?

 

[BAT]

San Francisco was still a game team at that point, and there was some intense history come NFC Championship times. That just isn't a given, no matter how tastey some feel about it.

Three is an unheard of level, as it is...

Yet many Cowboys players felt they lost the swag against the Niners after Jimmy left. During Jimmys tenure, the Cowboys owned the Niners. Balls of Brass baby.

 

[CCBoy]

Difference is that Jimmy won it all, neither Wade and especially Garrett did not.

Apples and oranges, and I'm not about to getting into an excuse for lowered expectations in the current season, due to disappointment in past memories. Sorry, there is quality and developing at a sustainable way and rate. I won't attempt to appologize for today's team. Not for anyone's own vanities. Sorry, won't happen with this fan.

 

[BAT]

Apples and oranges, and I'm not about to getting into an excuse for lowered expectations in the current season, due to disappointment in past memories. Sorry, there is quality and developing at a sustainable way and rate. I won't attempt to appologize for today's team. Not for anyone's own vanities. Sorry, won't happen with this fan.

Don't understand a thing you just said but facts are clear, Jimmy built a team that won THREE rings, what has Jerry done since. 12 win seasons don't mean jack without a ring. And TWO 12 win seasons 20 years after Jimmy is pathetic whatever fruits you are comparing.

 

[CCBoy]

Yet many Cowboys players felt they lost the swag against the Niners after Jimmy left. During Jimmys tenure, the Cowboys owned the Niners. Balls of Brass baby.

A Regiment of Elite Guard attempted to break out after the Complete Surrender and Cease Fire in Desert Storm. We engaged them with two Battalion sized units. During the battle, per tank, we averaged 3 confirmed tank kills the first ten seconds. Balls of Brass?

 

[BAT]

A Regiment of Elite Guard attempted to break out after the Complete Surrender and Cease Fire in Desert Storm. We engaged them with two Battalion sized units. During the battle, per tank, we averaged 3 confirmed tank kills the first ten seconds. Balls of Brass?

Ccboy you really need medical attention. Many of us served, that is not comparable to football. Comparing it is an insult. Semper Fi.