RELEASED Nolan Carroll Released

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Bridge player, who got injured early, released when rookies demonstrated they can actually play. It's not that big a story, is it?

This is a guy who might not have even made it out of camp if Lewis had been able to get in the lineup at all. The hate for Carroll is overdone here, but that's hardly news, either. He was a borderline vet that was downside insurance in case the draft broke in a way that they couldn't fill the holes. The overpaid him to fill that role, thinking he'd be part of the rotation for at least a season, and he underperformed that (or his concussion issue played a more substantial role than we know yet). Cutting him doesn't appreciably change our DB depth, and isn't exactly a sign of anything other than we won't be able to say this team can't admit mistakes or won't play their rookies for half a season or so.
 
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KingintheNorth said:
Check the games. Brown is not starting material. He is being exposed.
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What's up with Brown this season? I don't think he's as bad as you seem to think here, but he's definitely back-slid. So far this season, even the safer bets on defense are turning up snake eyes.
 

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Bridge player, who got injured early, released when rookies demonstrated they can actually play. It's not that big a story, is it?

This is a guy who might not have even made it out of camp if Lewis had been able to get in the lineup at all. The hate for Carroll is overdone here, but that's hardly news, either. He was a borderline vet that was downside insurance in case the draft broke in a way that they couldn't fill the holes. The overpaid him to fill that role, thinking he'd be part of the rotation for at least a season, and he underperformed that (or his concussion issue played a more substantial role than we know yet). Cutting him doesn't appreciably change our DB depth, and isn't exactly a sign of anything other than we won't be able to say this team can't admit mistakes or won't play their rookies for half a season or so.
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They paid him $4MM this year. Have to take a $2MM dead hit next year.

That's not some "insurance" policy. They thought he could play. It's why they also went after him after the 2015 season.

If you wanted a short term, low cost, stop gap, crappy CB there were other options. Jason McCourty is better and signed a cheaper contract. Patrick Robinson, another guy we kind of had interest in a few years ago, has a cheap contract and is actually playing pretty well right now for Philly.

He was a crap signing. People said it then, and today just proved them right.
 
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as a GoT fan...........Valor Cornelius

"All Corners get beat".............. he has made a ton of big plays in his short career against top WRs
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Nice. I LOL'd.

Not a Brown fan at all. I think he has poor instincts and grabs too much. I suspect all of the recent PI calls has caused him to back off and now he's playing too safe, giving up too many plays. He doesn't have that kind of talent to play proper technique and defend NFL-caliber WR's. He was Fool's Gold IMO.
 
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Sydla said:
They paid him $4MM this year. Have to take a $2MM dead hit next year.

That's not some "insurance" policy. They thought he could play. It's why they also went after him after the 2015 season.

If you wanted a short term, low cost, stop gap, there were other options.

He was a crap signing. People said it then, and today just proved them right.
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He most definitely was an insurance policy and a bridge player heading into a draft where they'd just let 4 DBs walk. That money is going rate for a serviceable starter at the CB position.

Of course they thought he could play. And of course you're overstating your displeasure with his play like you have since the day he came in. He's been out for weeks with a concussion, and his backups are playing well. He's expensive, he underperformed expectations (obviously, they're cutting him), and he ended up a veteran cut. It's just not that big a deal.
 

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He most definitely was an insurance policy and a bridge player heading into a draft where they'd just let 4 DBs walk. That money is going rate for a serviceable starter at the CB position.

Of course they thought he could play. And of course you're overstating your displeasure with his play like you have since the day he came in. He's been out for weeks with a concussion, and his backups are playing well. He's expensive, he underperformed expectations (obviously, they're cutting him), and he ended up a veteran cut. It's just not that big a deal.
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Money for a serviceable starter isn't the same as you saying he's nothing more than a bridge player. A bridge player is a one year dude that you can cut without a care in the world because you paid him squat. We have to take a dead money hit next year for him. And yes, there were cheaper options out there - McCourty, Robinson, etc. That $4MM or so would have been better applied to a guy like TJ Ward, for example.

It's a big deal in the sense that once again, a dumpster dive of the Cowboys doesn't work. It highlights that there is still a flaw in their FA thinking and plan.

You can deny it all you want, but he was a bad CB that we overvalued and frankly, probably overpaid.
 
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Money for a serviceable starter isn't the same as you saying he's nothing more than a bridge player. A bridge player is a one year dude that you can cut without a care in the world because you paid him squat. We have to take a dead money hit next year for him. And yes, there were cheaper options out there - McCourty, Robinson, etc. That $4MM or so would have been better applied to a guy like TJ Ward, for example.

It's a big deal in the sense that once again, a dumpster dive of the Cowboys doesn't work. It highlights that there is still a flaw in their FA thinking and plan.

You can deny it all you want, but he was a bad CB that we overvalued and frankly, probably overpaid.
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McCourty wasn't a realistic option. He was released just prior to the draft and a month after we signed Carroll. TJ Ward wasn't cut until September. That's hindsight. HIs cap hit this year put him right at the level of Minnesota's Marcus Sherels.

He was a bridge player at a premium position, period. Turns out it was a short bridge.

And I'm not sure why you keep suggesting I'm denying anything. I've said he underperformed. This just isn't a big deal. It's the whole reason why we handle VFA they way we do, as a matter of fact. Fill the spots and then draft and develop so that it doesn't kill you when you part ways with your bridge guys.
 

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McCourty wasn't a realistic option. He was released just prior to the draft and a month after we signed Carroll. TJ Ward wasn't cut until September. That's hindsight. HIs cap hit this year put him right at the level of Minnesota's Marcus Sherels.

He was a bridge player at a premium position, period. Turns out it was a short bridge.

And I'm not sure why you keep suggesting I'm denying anything. I've said he underperformed. This just isn't a big deal. It's the whole reason why we handle VFA they way we do, as a matter of fact. Fill the spots and then draft and develop so that it doesn't kill you when you part ways with your bridge guys.
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It's usually the simplest answer.

It was a dumb signing. They cut a CB in October that they should have known in March was a bad CB.

And they will continue to chase their tails if they just think they can build a SB team entirely through the draft and just sign off the street bums like Carroll along the way.
 
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