RELEASED Nolan Carroll Released

[Stash]

Jesus, you to? How is this phrase kneecapping you guys? "It may or may not have been" means the quality of that signing is beside the current point. It does not mean I'm defending the signing. The point I then went on to make was that, since he was a bridge player, and the player he was intended to bridge is playing really well, it's not that big of a deal, as it turns out.

Pretty simple. Pretty hard to argue with, too. Unless, of course, you have an issue with what the words actually mean.

It's pathetically easy to argue with. Your "point" is a joke.

 

[Idgit]

It's pathetically easy to argue with. Your "point" is a joke.

The nice thing about a post history, if that the text is right there for anybody interested in the semantics. In a week, the great Nolan Carroll debate is going to be in my trophy room alongside the great Lucky Whitehead Release and the Dez Training Camp MRI 2016 tilts we've had in the past, stash. During each of which you overreacted, stomped feet, complained that you weren't getting treated fairly, told us repeatedly that you knew what you knew and weren't going to fool yourself otherwise, though the rest of us were free to if we wanted to....and then slinked away with your tail between your legs because it turned out that these things you were so certain were huge issues in the first place were actually exactly the small potatoes I told you they were in the first place.

It is pathetically easy to argue with me....if you're not concerned with ever being actually right about anything. If all it took to be right were to plug your fingers in your ears and roll around on the floor of the Fan Zone, you'd be onto something here.

 

[pitt33]

Too bad he couldn't help us. We need some experience.

You know he was bad when Dez kept getting separation from him the last couple seasons.

 

[Sydla]

Jesus, you to? How is this phrase kneecapping you guys? "It may or may not have been" means the quality of that signing is beside the current point. It does not mean I'm defending the signing. The point I then went on to make was that, since he was a bridge player, and the player he was intended to bridge is playing really well, it's not that big of a deal, as it turns out.

Pretty simple. Pretty hard to argue with, too. Unless, of course, you have an issue with what the words actually mean.

He was more than a bridge player. They tracked him like a dog in heat for two off seasons. They had wanted him even before the Great Cowboys Secondary Purge of 2017.

He wasn't a warm body place holder. He was a guy they thought could play. He couldn't. Any rational person knew that.

The Cowboys screwed up and once again we are left wondering if they have a clue what they are doing in FA. They've gone from wasting money on high priced vets to the far extreme position of signing garbage heap players.

 

[jjktkk]

Kudos for admitting your huge mistake, but man! What a huge one it obviously was! Cost them $4 million for nothing and letting one of their two starters from last year go. Carroll took the deal that Carr wouldn't. And the numbers weren't that far off.

Some epic failures on defensive free agents.

Failure, absolutely, but "epic" is going overboard just a tad.

 

[haleyrules]

The nice thing about a post history, if that the text is right there for anybody interested in the semantics. In a week, the great Nolan Carroll debate is going to be in my trophy room alongside the great Lucky Whitehead Release and the Dez Training Camp MRI 2016 tilts we've had in the past, stash. During each of which you overreacted, stomped feet, complained that you weren't getting treated fairly, told us repeatedly that you knew what you knew and weren't going to fool yourself otherwise, though the rest of us were free to if we wanted to....and then slinked away with your tail between your legs because it turned out that these things you were so certain were huge issues in the first place were actually exactly the small potatoes I told you they were in the first place.

It is pathetically easy to argue with me....if you're not concerned with ever being actually right about anything. If all it took to be right were to plug your fingers in your ears and roll around on the floor of the Fan Zone, you'd be onto something here.

. I just want to add...Garrett sucks.

 

[Idgit]

He was more than a bridge player. They tracked him like a dog in heat for two off seasons. They had wanted him even before the Great Cowboys Secondary Purge of 2017.

He wasn't a warm body place holder. He was a guy they thought could play. He couldn't. Any rational person knew that.

The Cowboys screwed up and once again we are left wondering if they have a clue what they are doing in FA. They've gone from wasting money on high priced vets to signing garbage heap players.

They wanted him the season prior for the same reason they wanted him last year: he was their target in 2016 when they were getting Carr to accept his pay cut. Then they signed him this year when they didn't retain Carr again, as relatively affordable insurance for what they were going to do in the draft, where they ended up taking Awuzie, Lewis, Woods, and White.

As far as his play goes, I know you hated the guy from the outset, and I'm not going out on a limb for his play because he wasn't an adequate replacement for Carr from what I saw, either, but the guy played in a game and a half when it was said and done. He's been concussed for three weeks now, which is a long time to be out with a head injury. In the interim, Lewis has played really well, so it's pretty obvious why the move is getting made here over the bye week, and let's not pretend it's because the guy has been getting lit up here. He's not as good as the young players they've brought in, and he's had a serious injury in the mean time, so they're comfortable letting him go.

They've been signing 'garbage heap players' for years now. That's how they round out their roster while they find young guys to develop. They've done it since the 2011 season when they revamped the OL, and fans have complained about it ever since. They did the same thing with the DL brining in guys like Selvie and Mayowa. It is what it is. That's how they go about putting together their rosters. You don't have to like it, but don't pretend it's anything other than what it is.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

He was more than a bridge player. They tracked him like a dog in heat for two off seasons. They had wanted him even before the Great Cowboys Secondary Purge of 2017.

He wasn't a warm body place holder. He was a guy they thought could play. He couldn't. Any rational person knew that.

The Cowboys screwed up and once again we are left wondering if they have a clue what they are doing in FA. They've gone from wasting money on high priced vets to the far extreme position of signing garbage heap players.

You are right on all points, except that in today's NFL, a four year, $10 million deal is not what "top" cornerbacks get. The Cowboys signed him hoping to get a solid starter at a bargain basement price, and they were flat out wrong. But aside from costing them about $2 million in dead money next year, it's over and done with. The salary cap increase should make that negligible, I hope.

 

[Idgit]

. I just want to add...Garrett sucks.

God******, haley. Don't get me started.

Ima forgive you the Garrett disrespect here, until I'm done winding up stash. Then I'm coming for you.

 

[Stash]

The nice thing about a post history, if that the text is right there for anybody interested in the semantics. In a week, the great Nolan Carroll debate is going to be in my trophy room alongside the great Lucky Whitehead Release and the Dez Training Camp MRI 2016 tilts we've had in the past, stash.

And which one of those was a case where it "may not have been a dumb move"? Make the case where any of them was a good thing and you'd have a point.

During each of which you overreacted, stomped feet, complained that you weren't getting treated fairly, told us repeatedly that you knew what you knew and weren't going to fool yourself otherwise, though the rest of us were free to if we wanted to....and then slinked away with your tail between your legs because it turned out that these things you were so certain were huge issues in the first place were actually exactly the small potatoes I told you they were in the first place.

Who's "us"? You have a mouse in your pocket. It's YOU. You're alone. Like you were then.

[quote2It is pathetically easy to argue with me....if you're not concerned with ever being actually right about anything. If all it took to be right were to plug your fingers in your ears and roll around on the floor of the Fan Zone, you'd be onto something here.[/QUOTE]

Pot meet kettle. Continuing indicting your own credibility.

 

[Idgit]

And which one of those was a case where it "may not have been a dumb move"? Make the case where any of them was a good thing and you'd have a point.

Who's "us"? You have a mouse in your pocket. It's YOU. You're alone. Like you were then.

[quote2It is pathetically easy to argue with me....if you're not concerned with ever being actually right about anything. If all it took to be right were to plug your fingers in your ears and roll around on the floor of the Fan Zone, you'd be onto something here.

"Us" is whoever it is you think you're talking to when you post your rants, stash.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Posts wondering whether or not we WANTED keep the four DB free agent players that walked 2016, may wanna read this........
Notice Stephen Jones comments........bottom line, Cowboys had little or no interest in retaining any of them ( Wilcox, Church, Carr or Morris C ).



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000795290/article/stephen-jones-method-to-cowboys-madness-on-d
Stephen Jones: Method to Cowboys' madness on D

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• By Kevin Patra
• Around the NFL writer
• Published: March 27, 2017 at 10:14 a.m.
• Updated: March 27, 2017 at 03:29 p.m.

The Dallas Cowboys watched defenders stream out of the building this offseason.

After losing four of its top six players from 2016 in the secondary, Cowboys VP Stephen Jones isn't fretting.

"There is a little bit of method to the madness here," Jones said Sunday at the NFL's Annual League Meeting in Phoenix, via the Dallas Morning News.

The Cowboys watched corners Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne and safeties Barry Church and J.J. Wilcox depart via free agency, while adding only CB Nolan Carroll.

Expect Dallas to add secondary help during April's draft, which is deep at the corner position.

"Right now, going into the draft, we feel really good about our numbers,'' Jones said. "But at the same time we feel this is going to be a great opportunity for us to improve on the defensive side of the ball.

"It just so happens we feel the draft is inordinately strong on the defensive side of the ball.''

Jones noted that while they attempted to retain the likes of Carr, Claiborne and Church, the cap-strapped Cowboys were outbid for the services of the veterans.

"Players we want to keep, we keep them,'' Jones declared. "Most of these players, I'm not going to single out guys, but most of them we were ready to let move on.

 

[jjktkk]

Based on how close those numbers were, and the timing of the signings, I think the Cowboys had a vision - of a bridge veteran while they drafted for the future - and a set price. A price they didn't budge off of. Carr and Claiborne wanted more, Carroll took the offer. Carr and Claiborne soon signed elsewhere.

Based on results? Dallas made a big mistake at the cost of a million bucks.

Everything you stated is spot on except this last statement. A million bucks is chump change in today's NFL. Carroll was a bad signing, but certainly an understandable one. Are you into drama or something?

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

I wonder if we're considering a trade and needed to free up a spot.

 

[Stash]

"Us" is whoever it is you think you're talking to when you post your rants, stash.

Our conversations are between you and me. You don't get to speak for anyone other than yourself. There is no "us", it's you.

 

[Stash]

Everything you stated is spot on except this last statement. A million bucks is chump change in today's NFL. Carroll was a bad signing, but certainly an understandable one. Are you into drama or something?

That's was part of the point. They could have kept Carr or Claiborne for a million bucks more. And actually had someone who could play. To whatever degree one wants to say about each of them. At the least you'd still have a player.

Now you've got nothing but a $4 million dollar hole and a blank spot in your secondary.

 

[Stash]

Failure, absolutely, but "epic" is going overboard just a tad.

"Epic" was more of a cumulative description on my part. Not solely about Carroll, but including several recent misses as well, like Thornton.

 

[Idgit]

Our conversations are between you and me. You don't get to speak for anyone other than yourself. There is no "us", it's you.

I wasn't 'speaking for anyone other than myself.' I was referencing the obvious fact that people other than you and I were reading the threads in question.

 

[Blackspider214]

They need to quit bottom feeding during free agency, buy quality or just draft them

That's the Cowboys strategy. Cheap free agents or blue light specials in the draft other teams don't want to risk.

I have no idea why we signed Carroll. We saw him up close twice a season and he was always terrible.

 

[Idgit]

I wonder if we're considering a trade and needed to free up a spot.

It's also possible his injury played a role here. No word on an injury settlement, right? It would seem that a three week concussion for a player his age might be an incentive to just hang 'em up. Maybe he wanted his release outright in that case if he decides later to change his mind, and we didn't much care? The implications for the team are the same, either way, aren't they? We might have just told him Lewis is taking his snaps and that tipped the scales. Who knows?