Norm on KTCK 1310AM The Ticket: Roy Williams - cut him

[Bleu Star]

Something doesn't jive. I'd have a sit down with Roy, Tony, and Jason to see what all 3 have to say. Then I give it one more season with the understanding that if he doesn't produce like a #1 then either he restructures his contract or we get rid of him.

Prediction: RW has 75 Receptions 1,150 yds 9 TD's

This...

One more chance (year) & then it's time to open the laundry chute and jettison the soiled garments if the stains don't come out.

 

[Hoofbite]

Getting in on this late but the 1st few replies to this post were priceless.

 

[jobberone]

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

I won't say he was a primary reason because I don't know if your definition is the same as mine. But I will say he is one of the reasons we failed on offense last year. And the offense is the primary reason we failed to get to the SB.

He is not dynamic enough in todays pass happy league as the number 2 WR. We need more production from the #2.

 

[KJJ]

As limited as the Cowboys are going to be in free agency because of the rules that have been placed on the playoff teams in the uncapped year they have to keep RW. The Cowboys may not be able to sign any free agents so they're going to have to hang on to players they have and hope they have a good draft. It appears the draft may be the only way to improve the team this offseason. With Jerry's apprehension for selecting WR's high it's very unlikely we'll find a WR in this years draft who's going to out produce RW next season even as unproductive as he's been. As disappointing as RW has been we're just going to have to hang on to him and hope he produces more next season. Ogleltree showed signs last season that he may have a bright future and I look for him to push RW.

 

[Hoofbite]

I am sorry but as disappointed as I have been in Roy's play.

I do not cut a guy who had a bad year and still caught 7 TD's.

It too soon.

:laugh1:

 

[CCBoy]

I think it will take more than Roy working it out. The coaches need to study what went right and what went wrong. Romo and Williams need to study what happened on certain routes when Roy adjusted one direction and Tony threw the other.

There are things to be done by all parties involved.

I agree here. Roy was brought in to boost an over-the-top situation with TO, and Jason Witten in place. Patrick Crayton was dependable in the slot, and the Cowboys were shooting for a dominant dog in the pack stacking. That was before the explosion by Miles Austin.

Myself, I don't think that early developments between he and Tony Romo was an open deal. I think that Tony was attempting to arrive in the clutch, himself, and he only partially opened to Roy W. That was before the drops that negated almost all go to types of throws.

Roy was brought here to develop to a go to receiver. It's up to Tony to see that he gives him quality throws and for Jason to see that his types of talents and success levels are utilized. That starts from the start of the season.

To be ojective to Roy here, I feel that it almost took a half season of throwing by Tony before he was consistent even with hiw own throws. Parts of several early games no one knew where the ball thrown was going towards...

 

[Nexx]

Stupid stance. Why cut him for salary during an uncapped year?

Cut him if he's not one of the best 5 receivers going into the season.

so that jerry doesnt have to pay this fool. best time to cut him!

 

[KJJ]

so that jerry doesnt have to pay this fool. best time to cut him!

If we cut RW who do we replace him with? Ogletree showed some potential last season but he isn't close to being ready to start and I doubt any of us want Crayton or Hurd who are no better than 3rd and 4th receivers starting opposite Austin. Even though RW has been a big disappointment cutting him will weaken us at WR which isn't a real strength as it is. You can't cut a starting player when the rules aren't going to allow you to go out and replace them in free agency unless you lose a player to free agency. There's also restrictions on how much you can pay a free agent if you are able to sign one. RW will be back next season but that will probably be his last season unless he's alot more productive than what he has been.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why, exactly? Does it seem to anyone that Roy is going to bust out with a superstar season anytime in the near future? Even an above average one? Only way I think it's in Dallas' best interests to keep Roy, if it looks like Roy will move on and flourish elsewhere. I just don't see that happening, here or anywhere else.

Only shining light I can see is that he'll be turning 28 soon. That is prime years. But that's a lot of wishful thinking.

I think the guy has talent and yes I think it is stupid after 1.5 season to give up. Fans are great at it you guys give up on players all the time then come back with the lame old well I'll just eat crow. Dallas did not make this investment to give up on this quickly and it is in a teams interest to try what they can to make these type of deals work.

 

[zrinkill]

:laugh1:

7 TDs is funny?

 

[Hoofbite]

7 TDs is funny?

It is when you don't provide any sort of context.

 

[Doomsay]

It is when you don't provide any sort of context.

Agreed, in most cases, those 7 TD's Could have been easily spread among other receivers on the team. It's not like he was breaking open long TD passes ala TO or Austin.

 

[Hoofbite]

Agreed, in most cases, those 7 TD's Could have been easily spread among other receivers on the team. It's not like he was breaking open long TD passes ala TO or Austin.

I don't even think you would have to spread them out. I think Pat could have easily come up with 7 TDs if he would have been in Roy's position.

6 of those 7 TDs came when Dallas was inside the opponents 10 yard line.

You're exactly right, aside from the 1 TD in Tampa, he wasn't doing anything that a few other guys on the team couldn't have if given ample time.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed, in most cases, those 7 TD's Could have been easily spread among other receivers on the team. It's not like he was breaking open long TD passes ala TO or Austin.

Youre right he was makin thenm in the red zone which is where we were having some major problems. QB/WR relations take time. Writing him off isnt going to happen so I for one am looking forward to him improving again.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Summarization:
The bottom line is at Roy's salary numbers, the year and a half experiment has failed, The money can be better allocated elsewhere. He believes the Cowboys should cut him. He is not worth the $3.5 million for a #3 WR Position. He has already given up money and draft picks. Don't continue to pour more money on this issue for the lack of productivity.

He is taking calls on it now.

The draft picks and signing bonus have already been spent, they are sunk costs. As everybody who took Eco 101 in college knows, you dont use sunk costs to determine current decisions.

So the only cost that is relevant is the $3.5 salary for 2010. Based on league salaries, this is not that unreasonable amount for a guy that caught 7 TDs.

Norm fails to grasp this concept.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't even think you would have to spread them out. I think Pat could have easily come up with 7 TDs if he would have been in Roy's position.

6 of those 7 TDs came when Dallas was inside the opponents 10 yard line.

You're exactly right, aside from the 1 TD in Tampa, he wasn't doing anything that a few other guys on the team couldn't have if given ample time.

No kidding, he had 5 last year.

Since when is 7 TDs somehow impressive? I hope Roy isn't hanging his hat on that stat.

 

[Hostile]

No kidding, he had 5 last year.

Since when is 7 TDs somehow impressive? I hope Roy isn't hanging his hat on that stat.

It sure was impressive back in the Super Bowl 90's when it was Alvin Harper.

My how things are forgotten.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It sure was impressive back in the Super Bowl 90's when it was Alvin Harper.

My how things are forgotten.

You're right, what was I thinking? 7 TDs WHOO!

 

[Hostile]

You're right, what was I thinking? 7 TDs WHOO!

I don't know, but it wasn't football.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know, but it wasn't football.

You're right, I was off in bizarro world where double-digit TDs was laudable.