Norm on KTCK 1310AM The Ticket: Roy Williams - cut him

[Jon88]

13-3!

Oops wrong one.

7 TD's!

:laugh2:

 

[28 Joker]

Austin is the #1 guy.

RW will never live up to that contract.

The ball needs to go to:

Austin
Witten
Felix Jones
Tashard Choice/Marion Barber

Kevin Ogletree is coming, I think.

I want Williams to succeed, and I woldn't cut him, yet.

However, the money is what it is.

The # 2 WR will have to be ready to step up when his number is called.

It is a big play position, imo.

Alvin Harper didn't catch many balls, at times, but when he did, he torched teams and flat out beat them.

 

[casmith07]

Did you not see all the screwed up routes he ran and passes he dropped?

Sure, but unlike the armchair GMs around here, I don't get wrapped up in video game style analysis where contract size = 1000+ yards and 10 TDs.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

lol, I'd rather replace crayton before williams. Mostly because of Williams contract but its not like he played atrocious this year..7 td's and 38 catches is a pretty good ratio. An explosive slot guy like Jacoby ford, Gilyard, Shipley would put this team over the top. If Williams has the same result next year then cut him.

 

[Jon88]

lol, I'd rather replace crayton before williams. Mostly because of Williams contract but its not like he played atrocious this year..7 td's and 38 catches is a pretty good ratio. An explosive slot guy like Jacoby ford, Gilyard, Shipley would put this team over the top. If Williams has the same result next year then cut him.

He caught the ball 45% of the time it was thrown to him. That means he was thrown to 84 times and caught 38 balls. That's a terrible ratio.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cap is not an issue this year and I think it would be in Dallas best interest to give this trade every oppertunity they can to make it work. Easy to throw your hands up and walk away but I don't think it is in the teams best interest. I do think this is a make or break season for Williams

Why, exactly? Does it seem to anyone that Roy is going to bust out with a superstar season anytime in the near future? Even an above average one? Only way I think it's in Dallas' best interests to keep Roy, if it looks like Roy will move on and flourish elsewhere. I just don't see that happening, here or anywhere else.

Only shining light I can see is that he'll be turning 28 soon. That is prime years. But that's a lot of wishful thinking.

 

[unionjack8]

RW is an average WR. He's had one good year in a 7 year career when he had 82 balls for 1300 yards. Big deal, Mike Furrey had 98 for 1100 that year too.
I truly believe that his production could be replaced by someone at a 1/4 the cost. Salary cap or not, just get a better player than him, hell it cant be difficult to replace 38 catches.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sorry, but when a 'starting receiver' has 38 catches for an entire season, he held the team back - that's not opinion, that's a fact.

It's also an embarrassment.

All the 'polish' in the world won't shine this one.

35-562-4
36-777-5
38-613-2

That is what the other starting WR opposite Michael Irvin did in our 3 Super Bowl winning seasons back in the 1990's.

Now, explain to me how that was a embarrassment and held those teams back from winning championships.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Slight exaggeration..

It hasn't been on blockbuster level, but he's been productive.

The problem is people equate his production w/cost. He never would've lived up to what was given up for him nor his salary. He came in w/the deck stacked against him.

It hasn't helped that he hasn't played well enough or consistent enough to justify either when given chances.

From my perspective, as bad as Roy has played, there have been worst players on the team. He's pretty low in my ranking.

Depends on what you qualify as productive. If you're talking about him specifically bringing something to the table, than yeah, I guess that's true. But his production was below marginal.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

He caught the ball 45% of the time it was thrown to him. That means he was thrown to 84 times and caught 38 balls. That's a terrible ratio.

enough with all these stats, I realize he didn't have the type of year we all thought or wanted him to have, but jerry WONT let him go this year 100% because of the guys contract. He's supposed to be paid 9.6 mill regardless and jerry won't just waste that money. Next years a different story. Therefore out of our receivers craytons the one thats more likely to be let go.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Was Roy Williams' level of play a detriment to overall offensive production? Of course. Where have I stated otherwise? However, where it matters most, will anyone state that Williams was the primary or one of the primary causes of the team's exit from the '09 playoffs?

Does it really matter if Roy held us back or not? He freaking sucks. That should be enough.

You guys are a bunch of Jiminy Crickets, wishing upon a star.

 

[Jon88]

Does it really matter if Roy held us back or not? He freaking sucks. That should be enough.

You guys are a bunch of Jiminy Crickets, wishing upon a star.

BUT you can not prove he cost us any games therefore you CANNOT say he held us back.

You can say he sucks, though.

 

[Jon88]

enough with all these stats, I realize he didn't have the type of year we all thought or wanted him to have, but jerry WONT let him go this year 100% because of the guys contract. He's supposed to be paid 9.6 mill regardless and jerry won't just waste that money. Next years a different story. Therefore out of our receivers craytons the one thats more likely to be let go.

I doubt it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

35-562-4
36-777-5
38-613-2

That is what the other starting WR opposite Michael Irvin did in our 3 Super Bowl winning seasons back in the 1990's.

Now, explain to me how that was a embarrassment and held those teams back from winning championships.

Harper's job ultimately became to stretch defenses. He accomplished that with great panache.

Roy's job was to be a possession receiver, and he failed at that responsibility miserably.

He was supposed to be Mike Irvin to Austin's Alvin Harper.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

I doubt it.

As do I, but he has a greater chance of getting let go then Williams

 

[casmith07]

lol, I'd rather replace crayton before williams. Mostly because of Williams contract but its not like he played atrocious this year..7 td's and 38 catches is a pretty good ratio. An explosive slot guy like Jacoby ford, Gilyard, Shipley would put this team over the top. If Williams has the same result next year then cut him.

Shipley and explosive should never be used in the same sentence.

 

[Jon88]

As do I, but he has a greater chance of getting let go then Williams

Hurd has the best chance of being let go. Crayton is one of the best slot recievers in the NFL.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Harper's job ultimately became to stretch defenses. He accomplished that with great panache.

Roy's job was to be a possession receiver, and he failed at that responsibility miserably.

He was supposed to be Mike Irvin to Austin's Alvin Harper.

OK but that has nothing to do with the post I replied to.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

Shipley and explosive should never be used in the same sentence.

lol yeah my mistake, not so much him but he's still a very good slot receiver which was what I was trying to convey.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

Hurd has the best chance of being let go. Crayton is one of the best slot recievers in the NFL.

hurd has no trade value whatsoever and I wouldn't call him one of the best slot receivers but he's not the explosive game breaker that we need at the position that would put us over the top.