Nors, post your henson story

[Hostile]

You don't have to refer to me as 'the poster in question'. I know where this is going, look all Drewpisms and Bledsoe hype aside.....the bottom line is the pats success was based on coaching and defense first, and Tom Brady was in the right place at the right time. Does this mean he's the product of a 'system'..perhaps, but he's the top guy in the game right now and I've never said otherwise. Would I love to gloat if Drew had won 3 superbowls, absolutely, but then again we wouldn't have him on our team right now had that been the case.

Tom Brady is a great QB, and if he can win a title or two later in his career or more importantly do it without bill bellechek....than I will consider him the greatest QB of all time, maybe the greast professional athlete of all time for that matter.

Exactly right. He'd still be a Patriot, worshipped by them as a God. Even more than Brady is IMO because he brought so much in the way of hope for them.

I'm not saying he couldn't have QBed those Patriots teams to SB wins. He might have. We don't know for a fact because it is all speculation. The fact does remain though that in big games in the playoffs his record is not all that imressive, especially when compared to Brady's who is approaching legend status awfully young.

Is it fair that it looks like Bledsoe is a choker and Brady a savior? Probably not, but let's be honest about it. The label had already been applied to him before Brady came in and made him the NFL's Wally Pip.

That is a hard label to shake. If he can win a Super Bowl here he would probably shake it. If he doesn't before he takes up the rocking chair I suspect that will dog him as much as it does Marino, Fouts, Moon, etc. It is a huge missing page of the story.

 

[Alexander]

Joel Buchsbaum said he polled 10 GMs in 2001 and 7 of the 10 preferred Henson to Michael Vick.

Given the way Vick has performed as a passer, I don't know if that is much of a feather in Drew Henson's cap.

 

[iceberg]

Would I love to gloat if Drew had won 3 superbowls, absolutely, but then again we wouldn't have him on our team right now had that been the case.

"our" team? dude, you're only here cause of drew. if drew weren't here you'd not be here slobbin man love all around.

 

[Rush 2112]

Yes, I'm the only one that cares if a HOF QB has a SB trophy or not.

TED WILLIAMS HAS NO WORLD SERIES TROPHIES BUT CAN HIT
I'm the first person to ever broach that conversation I guess.

No, wait....we just had the convo re Moon a few months back.

CORRECT - MOON ELECTED INTO HALL OF FAME

Brady is far and away a better leader than Bledsoe.
Hands down.

YES, DOESN'T MAKE BLEDSOE A BAD LEADER. HE'S WON 2 AFC CHAMP GAMES AND ENGINEERED 30+ 4TH QTR COMEBACKS



Please not the # of teams that haven't cut Brady.
Of the other fantasy stat QB's you posted how many times did Kelly and Marino get cut?

CUT/TRADED? FAVRE, MONTANA, YOUNG, ELWAY,TARK, BLANDA, UNITAS, MOON, STABLER,NAMATH, BLEDSOE

What kind of guy gets cut?

OLDER VETERANS THAT HAVE COMMANDED AND SIGNED HUGE CONTRACTS - BLEDSOE, EMMITT, MONTANA, LOTT, OJ, GLOVER, BRUCE SMITH, DEION, REGGIE WHITE, CHRIS CARTER, MOSS, SEAU,ROD WOODSON, WALLS, SHARPE, EDGE, CURTIS MARTIN, RICE, ROMANOWSKI, HALEY,TY LAW,HARRISON, DILLON, MARCUS ALLEN,RIGGINS,LOFTON, FAVRE TONIGHT? ETC

What do expendable mean?

Most important position on the field?

QB maybe?

YES BUT THIS IS A TEAM SPORT

Cut twice.
BLEDMVP NAILED THIS - TRADED FOR #1 PICK, CUT WAS A DISASTER FOR BILLS WHO WENT WITH #1 PICK TURNED BUST
Explain in detail the difference between Bledsoe's and Hutch's internal clock?

HUTCH IS OUT OF FOOTBALL AND JAG - ONE OF 50 QB'S THAT ROUTINELY ARE IN AND OUT OF FOOTBALL IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS. NFLe BORDERLINE TALENT -- NO COMPARISON TO 50,000 YARD #1 OVERALL PICK & PRO BOWLER QB BLEDSOE.

I forgot you were such a Moon fan.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48042&highlight=moon

Favre was an alcoholic who slept through meeting in ATL. Chris Carter had dependancy issues. All the other guys you mentioned were on the upside or downside?

This all wreaks of Magic, Bird, Jordan, vs Dominique to me.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

HUTCH IS OUT OF FOOTBALL AND JAG - ONE OF 50 QB'S THAT ROUTINELY ARE IN AND OUT OF FOOTBALL IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS. NFLe BORDERLINE TALENT -- NO COMPARISON TO 50,000 YARD #1 OVERALL PICK & PRO BOWLER QB BLEDSOE.

Care to guess who said "Has all the tools -- could be Bledsoe" when Hutchinson signed with Dallas?


I'll give you a hint, it was on another board.

 

[31WillHammerU]

Care to guess who said "Has all the tools -- could be Bledsoe" when Hutchinson signed with Dallas?


I'll give you a hint, it was on another board.

Ooooooh... This is getting good. :shootfoot

 

[Hostile]

Care to guess who said "Has all the tools -- could be Bledsoe" when Hutchinson signed with Dallas?


I'll give you a hint, it was on another board.

Link?

:laugh2:

 

[Nors]

Given the way Vick has performed as a passer, I don't know if that is much of a feather in Drew Henson's cap.

Bushbaum, Henson, Vick


I don't know if the trend on that list is good.....

 

[31WillHammerU]

Bushbaum, Henson, Vick


I don't know if the trend on that list is good.....

Larry Keenan?

 

[Nors]

I forgot you were such a Moon fan.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48042&highlight=moon

Favre was an alcoholic who slept through meeting in ATL. Chris Carter had dependancy issues. All the other guys you mentioned were on the upside or downside?

This all wreaks of Magic, Bird, Jordan, vs Dominique to me.

Rush:

I said that Bledsoe's stats and career all throughout that thread were very similar to Moons, Fouts. Two QB's that never won 1 AFC champ game. And Moon was elected into Hall.


Vets - salary cap cuts later in careers. As I proved = more the norm than a terrible thing as you insinuated. But thangs for proving my point.


Back to Henson thread topic - let's stay tuned - NFLe on NFL network !!!!!

 

[Hostile]

Larry Keenan?

Very interesting question. I would like him to answer that.

 

[Nors]

Hutch in 2002 - I like many mid season wanted to see what we had in him. I was caught up in the moment. The classic 6-5 Big named QB. Carter was faltering. I may have been pro Hutchinson at that point. In fact my lessons learned on a baseball player 3 years out of football are always there when looking at Henson - not much different so far.

Well I watched Hutchinson play out 2002. I believe about same time Parcells rolled in I admitted Hutch was no good and that Carter would be a better QB and was pro him all 2003 right into preseason. Was spot on - Carter won the battle. 10-6 and playoffs.

Link away

 

[Rush 2112]

Rush:

I said that Bledsoe's stats and career all throughout that thread were very similar to Moons, Fouts. Two QB's that never won 1 AFC champ game. And Moon was elected into Hall.


Vets - salary cap cuts later in careers. As I proved = more the norm than a terrible thing as you insinuated. But thangs for proving my point.


Back to Henson thread topic - let's stay tuned - NFLe on NFL network !!!!!

Uh.....how do you say in your language? WRONG.

Here are your posts from that thread:

"Doug Williams was a pioneer. Moon ran chuck and duck offense's into the hall."

"Only Moons achievments and contributions to the game of football in the NFL are to be considered.

His college or CFL accomplishments have no bearing. His arrest for choking his wife had no bearing on his admission. Horning a convicted gambler and LT a convicted coke abuser were elected in.

His getting in on a first ballot is perplexing at best."

"Doug Flutie may be next pioneer to get in.

Overcame being short, shunned by NFL and banished to CFL, only to overcome that and make it back to America again.

Also his drop kick was a significant accomplishment."

"Lets Hope Irvins early drops in Hawaii yesterday don't further damage his case.

In his defense he heard Larry Brown's footsteps! Good stuff!"

Not ONE mention of Bledsoe.

Mocking Moon getting in, but now Bledsoe is all that because his stats are similar to Moon's?

 

[31WillHammerU]

Very interesting question. I would like him to answer that.

Yes, but does Nors want to know?

 

[Hostile]

Yes, but does Nors want to know?

I don't think so.

Agenda = :bomb:

 

[Nors]

Post the great Larry Keenan story Hos - fire away at will

 

[Yeagermeister]

"Doug Flutie may be next pioneer to get in.

Overcame being short, shunned by NFL and banished to CFL, only to overcome that and make it back to America again.

Also his drop kick was a significant accomplishment."

If Flutie makes the list for HOF they need to close the doors and shut it down.

 

[31WillHammerU]

Post the great Larry Keenan story Hos - fire away at will

Answer the question first.. Do you know who he is?

 

[Nors]

Rush -

lets keep some realism here -

Moon and Bledsoe thread - I consider boith to be borderline Hall of fame candidates. Just because there could be a case made that Moon may not be a haller does not mean he sucks. Or that I ever said "he sucks".

And yes he made it into Hall. And yes Bledsoe will be a borderline Hall candidate too. Too your consternation he does not suck.

Back to thread - Henson 98/99 was a very telling passing of two QB's going in opposite directions.

2006 and the next chapter starts in this book. Is it the second chapter for Henson or the 2nd to last chapter?

 

[Nors]

If Flutie makes the list for HOF they need to close the doors and shut it down.

of course -

if you didn't get the Flutie short joke there....... - Well, nevermind.