Parcells Family Tree Wins Again

[Dave_in-NC]

Theebs our fans gripe every week about every thing. That point of my thread, which is unfortunately getting missed by some who think I'm overreacting and "crying", is that we should've coddled the people responsible for turning our franchise around and making us relevant again. Payton was part of that staff and he was clearly a solid coach.

Now if people want to disagree with that and give some solid reasons why, I'd love to hear them, but I'm tired of these sarcastic replies that try to light people up who don't say something homerish. I call it like it is both ways, so I don't need people labeling me here just cuz I'm not always pro Jerry. If you have a problem with that, then don't waste ur time posting here.

Not allowed. Not ever.

 

[jobberone]

I agree...but so did Garrett, and we're coddling him now. I just wish we had done it with a Parcells guy who actually understands offense. We basically let Michael go and brought in Fredo to run the family.

I don't understand this. Payton was offered a HCing job. Parcells was the HC here. Parcells probably couldn't offer enough money for Payton to turn down the job. We just lost him. If you're thinking Parcells should have stepped down as HC to be head of operations then you don't understand Jerry very well. That's IF.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I agree...but so did Garrett, and we're coddling him now. I just wish we had done it with a Parcells guy who actually understands offense. We basically let Michael go and brought in Fredo to run the family.

I agree... Payton was my choice too.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Lombardi trophy count

Saints 1
Eagles 0

Wow, let that sink in for moment.............................................................



















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Ok Ok I'm done laughing....

 

[Hoofbite]

Alot of people didnt think much of Payton, including 100's of "experts" in CZ

Overreaction nation in full force again tonight.

Why do you always feel the need to call other people out for their opinions?

 

[UVAwahoos]

I don't understand this. Payton was offered a HCing job. Parcells was the HC here. Parcells probably couldn't offer enough money for Payton to turn down the job. We just lost him. If you're thinking Parcells should have stepped down as HC to be head of operations then you don't understand Jerry very well. That's IF.

What's not to understand? The ONLY reason that Ginger is still here is because Jerry essentially promised him the HC job here and gave him a raise. Ginger would've bolted to the Ravens just like Payton left for New Orleans.

We knew Parcells wasn't staying longterm. No need for him to have stepped down immediately. We also know his staff turned our team from a consistent 5-11 nightmare to a promising playoff team again. You hold on to the people responsible for that. Jerry should have NEVER had to scramble for a head coach when Parcells retired.

I just wish we had put some effort into maintaining some of the staff that actually made our franchise relevant in the NFL again.

I bring this up tonight because it's clear that people like Payton were gems. As fans, we are fickle and vacillate in favor and against coaches/players all the time, but somebody within the organization should have seen this.

Just like the Roy Williams trade, this seems like a HUGE error in team management and talent evaluation.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Actually many very happy Payton was gone from Dallas. Quite few used to gripe about Paytom much like they gripe about Garrett. Heck same were probably griping about Mike Zimmer too.

That nature of fans. Most of them seem like don't have wholesome view, but just the blinders on for their team. Every call has to be perfect and every game has to be perfect. If not the caoches are bums seems like.

Heck I am sure, same fans would be blaming Payton for the loss if some of the gambles he took failed.

Thats not entirely true. Most people knew Payton was a very aggressive, pass oriented play caller. Yet it was Parcells who held him back from much of his playcalling. Just watch our playoff game with the Seahawks and you'll see that Parcells had to do with alot of holding him back.

I like Peyton and would have been a very good headcoach here in Dallas. He is better than Garrett in my opinion. Garrett would have never make those calls cause he is just too scared.

 

[RainMan]

Thats not entirely true. Most people knew Payton was a very aggressive, pass oriented play caller. Yet it was Parcells who held him back from much of his playcalling. Just watch our playoff game with the Seahawks and you'll see that Parcells had to do with alot of holding him back.

I like Peyton and would have been a very good headcoach here in Dallas. He is better than Garrett in my opinion. Garrett would have never make those calls cause he is just too scared.

My concern with Garrett remains that one of his best qualities seems to be that he has an Ivy League education. He's a quality play caller, but I don't know that I sense anything "special" about the way he diagrams a game plan or in how he handles his part of the team. Other than his smarts, he doesn't scream "head coach" to me.

Don't get me wrong. I think Garrett is pretty good at what he does. I simply don't think he's some boy genius game-planning circles around the rest of the league.

 

[windward]

Thats not entirely true. Most people knew Payton was a very aggressive, pass oriented play caller. Yet it was Parcells who held him back from much of his playcalling. Just watch our playoff game with the Seahawks and you'll see that Parcells had to do with alot of holding him back.

I like Peyton and would have been a very good headcoach here in Dallas. He is better than Garrett in my opinion. Garrett would have never make those calls cause he is just too scared.

Payton wasn't here when we played Seattle in 2006.

 

[dbair1967]

Why not give credit to the guy who brought in Mr. 32 of 39 passing. The fact that Brees led the Saints to the SB only validates Payton's personnel decision. I don't see why you look at it as a knock on the HC.

And Brees wasnt his first choice, Romo was. But Parcells refused to trade Romo.

 

[dbair1967]

I bring this up tonight because it's clear that people like Payton were gems. As fans, we are fickle and vacillate in favor and against coaches/players all the time, but somebody within the organization should have seen this.

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Dude just stop, Payton took 4 yrs to win a championship there. He'd have never survived 4 years in Dallas to do it because of Cowboy fan impatience. Nobody would have ever let him last through 2 non playoff years in a row and an offense thats been as pass happy as his has been over his 4 years in New Orleans.

I dont know hardly anyone who thought Payton was a "gem" when he left Dallas, in fact most were glad he was gone. And to slam Jones and the organization over this is plain stupid IMO, Parcells was here and Jones wanted Parcells to be here for several more years at the time Payton left. Why not slam some of the teams who had HC openings that didnt even look at Payton, or passed him over for someone else?

 

[dbair1967]

Thats not entirely true. Most people knew Payton was a very aggressive, pass oriented play caller. Yet it was Parcells who held him back from much of his playcalling. Just watch our playoff game with the Seahawks and you'll see that Parcells had to do with alot of holding him back.

I like Peyton and would have been a very good headcoach here in Dallas. He is better than Garrett in my opinion. Garrett would have never make those calls cause he is just too scared.

Nice post dude. Payton wasnt even here in 2006.

 

[dbair1967]

My concern with Garrett remains that one of his best qualities seems to be that he has an Ivy League education. He's a quality play caller, but I don't know that I sense anything "special" about the way he diagrams a game plan or in how he handles his part of the team. Other than his smarts, he doesn't scream "head coach" to me.

Don't get me wrong. I think Garrett is pretty good at what he does. I simply don't think he's some boy genius game-planning circles around the rest of the league.

Apparently once upon a time somebody tought the same of Sean Payton. Its why his play calling duty was stripped in New York and its why Parcells didnt let him call plays here his first season.

And today he's a championship HC.

 

[CCBoy]

Why do you always feel the need to call other people out for their opinions?

Let me see if I can see your meaning here...maybe to sprinkle some salt on their tails?

Payton gave Brees a full endorsement and opportunity to play football. Just as he did with a whole team of almost good players. Here was the catch, given enough tools, Brees was more than just almost good. He was great.

Payton took strengths from aspects of Bill Parcells, not his personality itself. Payton gives credit out, and it reflects in how his players respond. This team had heart and in this 'show,' heart took the field. It often does when returned upon the carpet.

'Haters' rarely see the heart at work, only high ground of ridicule for failures. Payton believed in doing the job, and worked his way up, when given the chance. Kind of broke off of the tree, although...and became his own man when responsibility was his, not his mentor.

There also is a reason what after leaving the Giants, and his 'family' ties behind...that Bill Parcells lingered about four years a stint, and quit the Cowboys before completion. Then, there is the hole in Miami...that swallowed Jimmy Johnson as well, before the current arriving of Bill. It wasn't until recently that even Tampa Bay achieved a sole Super Bowl victory...I hear there are good race tracks there. Maybe Bill can schedule T-time, race schedules, and a joint fishing trip with Jimmy Johnson at his leasure as well now.

 

[CCBoy]

Nice post dude. Payton wasnt even here in 2006.

Easy fella, mistakes in memory sometimes do happen....:starspin

 

[dbair1967]

Easy fella, mistakes in memory sometimes do happen....:starspin

They do, no question.

But if the guy's intent is to slam Parcells for "holding the guy back" you'd think he'd be smart enough to know when he was and wasnt here.

 

[CCBoy]

They do, no question.

But if the guy's intent is to slam Parcells for "holding the guy back" you'd think he'd be smart enough to know when he was and wasnt here.

Oh, you are a sharp fan and have good directions...

I would include the part of Gregg Williams as the Saint Defensive Coordinator being a very important piece as well. The defense had the back of the Saint offense when they were in the gambling stages and then closed the deal, when the door hadn't been shut by the offense as well. Just adding to the vision of contributions by mentors of coaching staffs.

Garrett has to step up consistently in major games, and this next season he will baptized in fire. He has matchups in the regular season against New Orleans, Minnesota...who else, Giants, Philadelphia, Colts? He'll have to be as resourcefull as well as adaptable in second meetings and even possible third meetings of teams. This while adapting to improving productions of present players as well.

 

[Signals]

The coach that is solely responsible for making us relevant again has some amazing offspring. I sure wish Jerry had put the successor plan in place for Payton rather than the idiot ginger OC he's coddling right now.

Oh well. Congrats to the Saints. Well deserved.

Not only that, this is not Peyton's last SB win either. You heard it here first.

 

[Doomsday101]

There is nothing similar about Parcells and Payton as HC. I'm sure there are things Payton learned, but overall there is little to compare

 

[CCBoy]

There is nothing similar about Parcells and Payton as HC. I'm sure there are things Payton learned, but overall there is little to compare

Hey, Dooms...in the pregame and walkthrough, Payton encouraged all players to bring their small children onto the field to share the experience with the players. That is a directional difference from Bill Parcells. Agreed...