Parcells Family Tree Wins Again

[DFWJC]

I wonder if our offense would have looked better versus Minny if Jared Allen had a bum ankle. I mean having Freeney playing that gimpy was a gift from the football gods.

I think the crowd noise and that extra 1/2 step that comes with it had alot to do with the Minny rush. But they earned home field and that was thier reward....just like the Saint's had when they beat Minny in the Superdome. If that game was in Minny then for sure the outcome is reversed (and may have not even been close).

So like Romo said after the final game, we were reminded of how important every game is until that home field is locked up.

 

[jterrell]

I think the crowd noise and that extra 1/2 step that comes with it had alot to do with the Minny rush. But they earned home field and that was thier reward....just like the Saint's had when they beat Minny in the Superdome. It that game was in Minny then for sure the outcome is reversed (and may have not even been close).

So like Romo said after the final game, we were reminded of how important every game is until that home field is locked up.

No doubt that's the case but their best pass rusher was playing at 100% against a guy who had played LT for 0 snaps all year before Flo was injured. We immediately adjusted our OL play to shift to Allen and we were murdered all over. Kosier was lost more than once as he focused on Allen while a fatty weighing nearly 400 pounds shoved right past him.

All I know is I LOVE our chances to beat the Colts when Freeney is that gimpy.

Same way every team in football would be glad to play Dallas while Demarcus Ware was out.

 

[theebs]

Theebs our fans gripe every week about every thing. That point of my thread, which is unfortunately getting missed by some who think I'm overreacting and "crying", is that we should've coddled the people responsible for turning our franchise around and making us relevant again. Payton was part of that staff and he was clearly a solid coach.

Now if people want to disagree with that and give some solid reasons why, I'd love to hear them, but I'm tired of these sarcastic replies that try to light people up who don't say something homerish. I call it like it is both ways, so I don't need people labeling me here just cuz I'm not always pro Jerry. If you have a problem with that, then don't waste ur time posting here.

I still have no idea what your point is besides whining.

who should have been coddled exactly? We actually had 3 head coaches on that staff with Parcells now. Haley, sporano and Payton. Are we supposed to cry about all of them?

WHo are you to tell me not to post here...get a grip.

again, what is your point. Most of us loved parcells and that staff, what was the franchise supposed to do fire him and hire payton or sporano or haley in 06?

and then to bag on garrett is just proof you are whining. I guarantee you the same guy that vouged for payton to parcells is the same guy that vouged for garrett to parcells and that is giants tight end coach mike pope.

and here is another thing, in a perfect world going back to 03, I would be willing to be parcells wanted Dan henning as offensive coordinator, mike pope as tight ends coach, carthon as rb's coach and then maybe sporano/haley/payton make a spot on his staff...But he couldnt get two of those guys out of their contracts so they stayed where they were in ny and carolina.

 

[DFWJC]

All I know is I LOVE our chances to beat the Colts when Freeney is that gimpy.

Same way every team in football would be glad to play Dallas while Demarcus Ware was out.

Me too...

 

[UVAwahoos]

I still have no idea what your point is besides whining.

who should have been coddled exactly? We actually had 3 head coaches on that staff with Parcells now. Haley, sporano and Payton. Are we supposed to cry about all of them?

WHo are you to tell me not to post here...get a grip.

again, what is your point. Most of us loved parcells and that staff, what was the franchise supposed to do fire him and hire payton or sporano or haley in 06?

and then to bag on garrett is just proof you are whining. I guarantee you the same guy that vouged for payton to parcells is the same guy that vouged for garrett to parcells and that is giants tight end coach mike pope.

and here is another thing, in a perfect world going back to 03, I would be willing to be parcells wanted Dan henning as offensive coordinator, mike pope as tight ends coach, carthon as rb's coach and then maybe sporano/haley/payton make a spot on his staff...But he couldnt get two of those guys out of their contracts so they stayed where they were in ny and carolina.

I think a lot of people just get turned on by watching themselves type stuff out in this board over actually reading and thinking before they hit submit.

God forbid someone ever say that Jerry Jones did something wrong...

 

[UVAwahoos]

Exactly. Jobberone asked, but the OP conveniently never answered exactly what he was proposing we should have done to keep Payton. Fire Parcells when the Saints came calling? What?

Meh, this was just another excuse to say that everything Parcells touches turns to gold while the guys we have now stink. Lame.

I actually addressed it a couple times, champ.

Many teams have a successor plan in place. Parcells was not going to remain long term, but he and his staff turned this franchise around in just a few years. We should've kept Payton in the same way we kept Ginger from bolting to the Ravens. I'm assuming the head coach in waiting for Dallas at the time would've been a much better gig than HC almost anywhere else.

Those of you blindly supporting Jerry as usual always seem to forget that he had plenty of years to do it by himself before bringing Parcells in. That was a solid staff that we have somehow slowly let slip away from the franchise.

It's becoming such a culture on this board to bash people who are not outright homers or say lovey dovey things all the time. Not sure why that's accepted just yet. We did not win a Super Bowl for like the 14th season in a row. There are obvious issues. A season with a single playoff win used to be considered an utter failure, and now people are prancing around like they just won the lottery around here. How dare I question things that are somewhat relevant? I'm just a big trolling OP!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So your grand plan was to pay Payton more on the hopes that he'd prefer money over a HC job. But you have no idea that Payton would go for that.

You also don't know that Parcells himself would approve a huge raise that might upset the balance of his coaching staff.

And just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are "lovey-dovey" "homers" who "blindly support Jerry". What a reach.

 

[theebs]

I think a lot of people just get turned on by watching themselves type stuff out in this board over actually reading and thinking before they hit submit.

God forbid someone ever say that Jerry Jones did something wrong...

what since when am I a jerry homer?

and what does that have to do with it anyway?

Again, I am still unsure what your point is.

actually, nevermind. I dont want to know what your point is...I am just going to click ignore. Thx bye.

 

[jobberone]

What's not to understand? The ONLY reason that Ginger is still here is because Jerry essentially promised him the HC job here and gave him a raise. Ginger would've bolted to the Ravens just like Payton left for New Orleans.

We knew Parcells wasn't staying longterm. No need for him to have stepped down immediately. We also know his staff turned our team from a consistent 5-11 nightmare to a promising playoff team again. You hold on to the people responsible for that. Jerry should have NEVER had to scramble for a head coach when Parcells retired.

I just wish we had put some effort into maintaining some of the staff that actually made our franchise relevant in the NFL again.

I bring this up tonight because it's clear that people like Payton were gems. As fans, we are fickle and vacillate in favor and against coaches/players all the time, but somebody within the organization should have seen this.

Just like the Roy Williams trade, this seems like a HUGE error in team management and talent evaluation.

Well I basically disagree with your entire premise.

First of all what does Red have to do with Payton. Payton was gone. Payton left to take a HC job. Do you blame him? Do you think they may have tried everything possible to retain him and he just chose not to stay. If Parcells had promised to step down eventually then Payton may have decided not to wait anyway. You and I are not privy to all the facts. But to jump to the conclusion especially in retrospect that we didn't try to retain him is ludicrous. We may have decided at the time not to retain him even not knowing who his immediate replacement was. Or vice versa. Whatever we did he chose to leave. You really can't say much more than that as a fact and have true data to back it up.

And you don't know what Parcells was going to do nor when he was going to do it. You already concede that Parcells built the team and was worthwhile. Then you bemoan the fact Payton got away and now we're stuck with Red Jesus. So you obviously didn't want Parcells to go anywhere. If so and it appears that way, then you can't fault Payton for wanting to leave. He likely looked at it as Parcells was staying, here's a bird in the hand so go for it. You can't blame that on the FO. Not reasonably although you are doing so.

I'd agree I'd rather have Payton than Garrett but all the cards haven't been dealt to Garrett and the Cowboys yet. You may decide in time to change your opinion as the fate of the Saints and Cowboys are written in the future.

No sir. I don't agree with you at all. In retrospect and today I'd rather have Payton, too. But to think the FO let him get away has been far from proven. It appears Payton took advantage of an opportunity given to him. And that's the name of that tune.

 

[iceberg]

Solely responsible?

We did not have a HC opening at the time.

when people get all extreme like that, it's agenda driven and they're just being bitter. calling people names, getting all butthurt - it's personal to them and logic need not apply

talking to them is as productive as staring at water.

 

[dreghorn2]

It's becoming such a culture on this board to bash people who are not outright homers or say lovey dovey things all the time. Not sure why that's accepted just yet. We did not win a Super Bowl for like the 14th season in a row. There are obvious issues. A season with a single playoff win used to be considered an utter failure, and now people are prancing around like they just won the lottery around here. How dare I question things that are somewhat relevant? I'm just a big trolling OP![/QUOTE]

IMHO, regardless of this thread topic and the opinions voiced on either side of the discussion, i feel the above quote has a lot of validity.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No doubt that's the case but their best pass rusher was playing at 100% against a guy who had played LT for 0 snaps all year before Flo was injured. We immediately adjusted our OL play to shift to Allen and we were murdered all over. Kosier was lost more than once as he focused on Allen while a fatty weighing nearly 400 pounds shoved right past him.

All I know is I LOVE our chances to beat the Colts when Freeney is that gimpy.

Same way every team in football would be glad to play Dallas while Demarcus Ware was out.

I love it when people act like they know what the protection schemes were. Its great.

 

[Don Corleone]

It is safe to say that Payton has gotten better over the years. Before landing in Dallas, he was stripped of his play-calling duties with the NY Giants.

Parcells thought he was getting too cute with his play-calling. I think Payton has learned some lessons over the years. Nothing wrong with that.

With that being said, we are grooming Garrett for the HC job, and Garrett is getting better over time. Payton has been a play-caller for a long time.

If nothing else, this should give us reason to keep Garrett and groom him. Payton didn't become a play-calling genius (not my words - the mediots words) overnight.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Peyton has been a coordinator since 1998 or so

Garrett only since 2006

 

[jterrell]

I love it when people act like they know what the protection schemes were. Its great.

Its called listening to the radio and hearing the reports from people who do know.

It's not that hard a concept. Was Witten supposed to be blocking Allen 1on1 when he blew past him? Nope. How do I know? Because that question was asked and it was reported that Free was supposed ot fall back and help but instead he looked inside to help Kosier.

 

[jterrell]

Peyton has been a coordinator since 1998 or so

Garrett only since 2006

aye. remove a couple years where payton wasn't calling plays and it equals around 5~

 

[jterrell]

It's becoming such a culture on this board to bash people who are not outright homers or say lovey dovey things all the time. Not sure why that's accepted just yet. We did not win a Super Bowl for like the 14th season in a row. There are obvious issues. A season with a single playoff win used to be considered an utter failure, and now people are prancing around like they just won the lottery around here. How dare I question things that are somewhat relevant? I'm just a big trolling OP!

IMHO, regardless of this thread topic and the opinions voiced on either side of the discussion, i feel the above quote has a lot of validity.[/QUOTE]

ROFL.

The culture is to bash Wade or Jerry even over completely stupid things such as this. It's the new black. Everyone proclaim themselves non-homers and attack the coach and GM/owner for all we did was win the NFCE and make it to the divisional round. So let's jump on the bandwagon of the team who went farther this ONE year and proclaim how much like them we want to be.

The realistic expectations entering this season were to win a single playoff game. End the friggin playoff win drought finally. Well that happened but the inane posts continue. The same posts that said we'd never win a playoff game or be able to beat Philly in Philly or new Orleans in New Orleans. You'd think at some point the shame would set in and they'd just shut up. But, alas, no that doesn't happen. They cry and whine and complain until eventually the team does lose.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its called listening to the radio and hearing the reports from people who do know.

It's not that hard a concept. Was Witten supposed to be blocking Allen 1on1 when he blew past him? Nope. How do I know? Because that question was asked and it was reported that Free was supposed ot fall back and help but instead he looked inside to help Kosier.

Uh huh. Sports radio and wikipedia the true bastions of knowledge. So was it Houck or one of the Garretts that said this.

 

[jterrell]

Uh huh. Sports radio and wikipedia the true bastions of knowledge. So was it Houck or one of the Garretts that said this.

Try a former Cowboys scout who happens to know most of the current OL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Try a former Cowboys scout who happens to know most of the current OL.

who was it again?