Parcells Family Tree Wins Again

[Doomsday101]

Hey, Dooms...in the pregame and walkthrough, Payton encouraged all players to bring their small children onto the field to share the experience with the players. That is a directional difference from Bill Parcells. Agreed...

Sean is his own man, no doubt as you meet and work with other people in your life you will pick up things from them but unlike Walsh disciples or other Parcells disciples Sean Payton offensive influence does not come from Parcells. One question though since Payton only deals with offense is he just the co Head coach of the Saints? :laugh2:

 

[DFWJC]

The coach that is solely responsible for making us relevant again .

good grief

 

[Gaede]

Alot of people didnt think much of Payton, including 100's of "experts" in CZ

Overreaction nation in full force again tonight.

Good point. A lot of people in here, myself included, did not like Payton and were happy to see him go.

 

[dfense]

Why not give credit to the guy who brought in Mr. 32 of 39 passing. The fact that Brees led the Saints to the SB only validates Payton's personnel decision. I don't see why you look at it as a knock on the HC.

My point is, the Saints offensive talent outweighs whatever Payton brings to the table as a headcoach. If you put Garrett in Payton's place, I'm sure he'd have the same success. The original post was about letting Payton get away and having to "coddle" a top 5 offensive coordinator like Garrett made little sense.

 

[Established1971]

The coach that is solely responsible for making us relevant again .....

thats absurd

use hyperbole much?

 

[dfense]

I love how homers like this throw hissy fits every time somebody says something that differs from their rosy opinions.

I just think it's very relevant to note that we started coddling and grooming a couple seasons too late. Everyone knew Parcells wasn't longterm. We should've kept the infrastructure he built from the top down. I hope I'm proven wrong, but while we are wasting seasons of talent figuring all that out, other teams are actually winning Super Bowls with some of our guys.

This was a particularly relevant night to bring that point up and I'd love to hear some legit arguments, but if you wanna just whine like this post I'm replying to, then go read another thread that's more caressing and gentle for you.

Well since Parcells took the head of scouting as well as most of the "infrastructure" with him to Miami, that made alot of sense.

 

[dfense]

And Brees wasnt his first choice, Romo was. But Parcells refused to trade Romo.

Great point!

 

[burmafrd]

Its hard to believe now, but when Brees was on the market he had had only one real good year.

 

[dfense]

Dude just stop, Payton took 4 yrs to win a championship there. He'd have never survived 4 years in Dallas to do it because of Cowboy fan impatience. Nobody would have ever let him last through 2 non playoff years in a row and an offense thats been as pass happy as his has been over his 4 years in New Orleans.

I dont know hardly anyone who thought Payton was a "gem" when he left Dallas, in fact most were glad he was gone. And to slam Jones and the organization over this is plain stupid IMO, Parcells was here and Jones wanted Parcells to be here for several more years at the time Payton left. Why not slam some of the teams who had HC openings that didnt even look at Payton, or passed him over for someone else?

Hindsight, don't you know.

 

[Chief]

Good point. A lot of people in here, myself included, did not like Payton and were happy to see him go.

Well, I wasn't one of them.

I was thrilled when Parcells hired him. He was considered a future star before Fassel took the play-calling away from him, and I believed that working with Parcells would greatly benefit him.

I always had this hope that he would take over when Parcells left and was happy when they supposedly talked him out of the Raiders job ... disappointed later when he left for New Orleans. Especially since Parcells pretty much shut it down late that season and seemed to just go through the motions in 2006. Frustrating.

And on top of that, I followed Drew Brees at Purdue and wanted Dallas to find a way to move up high enough to get him in 2001 (Galloway trade cost Dallas a chance). But Jerry had targed Quincy anyway. Ugggh.

So, I had mixed feelings last night. I was happy to see my favorite coach and QB win it all, and disappointed they didn't do it for my favorite team.

 

[Mash]

Why is it a Parcells tree?

Ray Rhodes hired him as QB coach....and had him for a few years...then Fassel had him for a bunch of years....I know Payton became assistant HC coach here under Bill....is that why Payton is considered from Parcells tree?

 

[Dodger12]

And Brees wasnt his first choice, Romo was. But Parcells refused to trade Romo.

And this negates that Payton is a good HC how? He might have won with Romo as well, since both him and Brees are very good QB's.

But I'm not sure how what I said is so controversial and what argument you're trying to make. Do you not agree that Payton's a good HC and he turned that franchise around?

 

[khiladi]

I believe it was Payton that made the huge push to sign Gregg Williams as DC. He targetted him aggressively.

As a side note, I guess Danny boy is a little upset now as well.

 

[Dodger12]

Dude just stop, Payton took 4 yrs to win a championship there. He'd have never survived 4 years in Dallas to do it because of Cowboy fan impatience. Nobody would have ever let him last through 2 non playoff years in a row and an offense thats been as pass happy as his has been over his 4 years in New Orleans.

Just stop DB. Payton led the Saints to the NFC Championship game in 2006 (his first season coaching the team) after they had finished 3 and 13 the year before. He completely turned that team around and done more with a whole lot less than we've had. A simple playoff win in his THIRD season got Wade extended here so to say Payton wouldn't have survived in Dallas under those circustances is being disingenuous.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry, prior to the Saints game this year, admitted that he did not recognize Sean Payton as that good of a coach as he has showed. I think he said he didn't recognize his style of offense as successful, but has been proven wrong.

 

[jterrell]

Well, I wasn't one of them.

I was thrilled when Parcells hired him. He was considered a future star before Fassel took the play-calling away from him, and I believed that working with Parcells would greatly benefit him.

I always had this hope that he would take over when Parcells left and was happy when they supposedly talked him out of the Raiders job ... disappointed later when he left for New Orleans. Especially since Parcells pretty much shut it down late that season and seemed to just go through the motions in 2006. Frustrating.

And on top of that, I followed Drew Brees at Purdue and wanted Dallas to find a way to move up high enough to get him in 2001 (Galloway trade cost Dallas a chance). But Jerry had targed Quincy anyway. Ugggh.

So, I had mixed feelings last night. I was happy to see my favorite coach and QB win it all, and disappointed they didn't do it for my favorite team.

Payton is Garrett plus 5 years imho.

I don't see much difference at all. Payton even ran that silly reverse from the 20 yard line last night.

Payton is a good coach but he had to grow to get where he is. Red J is growing as well. It's not like our offense is a real issue.

If we had Payton here with Gregg Williams, I am game but recall Payton had ex-Cowboys staffers in place for his defense and they struggled mightily.

As an aside it pretty hilarious that the reason we don't have Payton is because BP wasn't ready to step down yet but BP gets all the credit for Payton winning now... lol.

 

[Doomsday101]

Payton is Garrett plus 5 years imho.

I don't see much difference at all. Payton even ran that silly reverse from the 20 yard line last night.

Payton is a good coach but he had to grow to get where he is. Red J is growing as well. It's not like our offense is a real issue.

If we had Payton here with Gregg Williams, I am game but recall Payton had ex-Cowboys staffers in place for his defense and they struggled mightily.

True, seemed to like running shotgun quite a bit as well even on 1st downs.

 

[jterrell]

True, seemed to like running shotgun quite a bit as well even on 1st downs.

I wonder if our offense would have looked better versus Minny if Jared Allen had a bum ankle. I mean having Freeney playing that gimpy was a gift from the football gods.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

As an aside it pretty hilarious that the reason we don't have Payton is because BP wasn't ready to step down yet but BP gets all the credit for Payton winning now... lol.

Exactly. Jobberone asked, but the OP conveniently never answered exactly what he was proposing we should have done to keep Payton. Fire Parcells when the Saints came calling? What?

Meh, this was just another excuse to say that everything Parcells touches turns to gold while the guys we have now stink. Lame.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wonder if our offense would have looked better versus Minny if Jared Allen had a bum ankle. I mean having Freeney playing that gimpy was a gift from the football gods.

Sure having a key defender not being able to play at his normal level is a big load off the offense. Problem Dallas faced was you can't double team everyone on the line of scrimmage and we were getting beat on the inside as well as outside.