Parcells not happy with Henson's NFLE performance

[The30YardSlant]

Henson is an NFL QB ....... anyone who says otherwise is biased.

I will never understand how people can say they are Cowboy fans ...... but then activley root against one of their players ... be it Henson or T.O. or Carpenter.


But then again I am just a homer right?



{disclaimer : this is not directed at Iceberg, so please dont get upset }

Please, tell me, why would I be biased AGAINST a player from the team I have rooted for since I was 5? I dont WANT Henson to fail, I'm just stating the obnvious, which is that he IS failing and is NOT an NFL QB. He has NFL talent, he does not have NFL leadership and does not have the mental part of the game like the good QBs do.

 

[iceberg]

Henson is an NFL QB ....... anyone who says otherwise is biased.

I will never understand how people can say they are Cowboy fans ...... but then activley root against one of their players ... be it Henson or T.O. or Carpenter.

But then again I am just a homer right?

{disclaimer : this is not directed at Iceberg, so please dont get upset }

it's directed at the frustrations we all feel, dude. it's all good. : )

 

[zrinkill]

Please, tell me, why would I be biased AGAINST a player from the team I have rooted for since I was 5? I dont WANT Henson to fail, I'm just stating the obnvious, which is that he IS failing and is NOT an NFL QB. He has NFL talent, he does not have NFL leadership and does not have the mental part of the game like the good QBs do.

So backup Qb's are not NFL QB's? Henson at worst has the talent and skill to be a backup QB ........ at best he could develope into an NFL starter.

Your being Biased against the kid when he performed as good or better than most backups and starters sent to NFLE.

 

[The30YardSlant]

no - *i* said you never have so it was pointless to provide one because it will do nothing but be an argument - NOT something you'll go "ok, that's right" about. so why would i do that?



and this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly what he would do to ANY article posting good things about henson - he just gave himself the "way out" to slap him around at his leisure.

OF WHICH is what i said you're only out to do

OF WHICH is why i said it would be pointless to post positives articles about henson.

OF WHICH is why i know better than to waste my time doing so.

like i said - comprehension and you don't play together too much.

So you do agree to putting words in my mouth? Ok, as long as we have that established before we continue.

Now, go post that indisputeable article(s) that proves hensons ability by listing some kind of facts. If I cross my heart and hope to die, stick a needle in my eye that I wont hurt yuor feelings by shooting it down right away, will that satisfy your grade school mindset to the situation and allow you to post it? I've listed the facts of the situation in every Henson thread I can remember, and no one has ever disproven them with contradictory facts, nor has anyone tried. Why? Because they cant. Because they dont exist. Because they are fabrications of the homer populations collective minds. Because the fact is Henson has done nothing, shown nothing, said nothing to deserve the kind of praise he get. The FACTS show Romo has improved on a game to game basis over the last 2 years, and they alos show the opposite of Henson in the same time span.

 

[The30YardSlant]

So backup Qb's are not NFL QB's? Henson at worst has the talent and skill to be a backup QB ........ at best he could develope into an NFL starter.

Your being Biased against the kid when he performed as good or better than most backups and starters sent to NFLE.

Yes, we know how you feel, but again I ask, why?

And why are you just repeating what I said by stating he has NFL skill and talent? I agree with you.

 

[iceberg]

So you do agree to putting words in my mouth? Ok, as long as we have that established before we continue.

Now, go post that indisputeable article(s) that proves hensons ability by listing some kind of facts. If I cross my heart and hope to die, stick a needle in my eye that I wont hurt yuor feelings by shooting it down right away, will that satisfy your grade school mindset to the situation and allow you to post it? I've listed the facts of the situation in every Henson thread I can remember, and no one has ever disproven them with contradictory facts, nor has anyone tried. Why? Because they cant. Because they dont exist. Because they are fabrications of the homer populations collective minds. Because the fact is Henson has done nothing, shown nothing, said nothing to deserve the kind of praise he get. The FACTS show Romo has improved on a game to game basis over the last 2 years, and they alos show the opposite of Henson in the same time span.

it's funny you start off saying *i"m" putting words in your mouth then YOU turn around and tell me that i need to go post that "indisputable" (did *I* ever say that????????? nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

my point is still the same and you still don't get it.

i can, but won't, post these articles cause you have no evidence of accepting the article, only refuting it.

THIS IS NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. more like actions on your behalf.

now either go show me where an article was posted that changed your mind or don't. if you can, then i'm wrong and you *will* read this and be "unbiased" to a degree.

if you can't - then i'm right. and if you keep arguing, then i'm right by default cause i still think you can't.

so it does me or anyone else any good at all to post good news about henson cause you've never taken it as such.

prove me wrong - the only thing this *debate* is about is articles being pointless to show you cause they never "work" to change your mind about henson.

you already listed enough disclaimers to give you enough room to slap down any article posted, like you always do.

OF WHICH is my point.

either get it and stay on topic or let's end this.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I didn't, which makes it hilarious that you think I did.

Ok, let me walk you through this (again):

I claimed Henson should have put up better numbers against NFLE competition if he really was a great NFL caliber player

You stated, and I quote:

He may not have been playing against NFL talent, but he certainly wasn't playing with NFL talent. That argument is a wash.

That statement IS true, I dont disgaree in the least. What you are saying by posting this is that Henson's teammates, as well as his opposition, were far inferior in talent to NFL players. IF SO, then Henson, whom you obviously think has the potential to be an NFL CALIBER PLAYER, as such, should have dominated the inferior opposition by not only his play, but by using his NFL talent to raise the level of play of those around him to a level beyond the inferior defenses.

However, he did not, thus, using YOUR logic, Henson is not an NFL caliber player.

Get it?

 

[zrinkill]

Yes, we know how you feel, but again I ask, why?

And why are you just repeating what I said by stating he has NFL skill and talent? I agree with you.

Then he is an NFL QB ...... Yet you said he wasn't ...... maybe you should change it too ...... in your opinion he is not an NFL starter ........... which is a possibility.

Lets root for the players we have guys.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Why is it that all the beat writers and columnists that covers the team on a daily basis have rarely posted one positive thing about Henson, and when they have something negative to say about him, they are called morons, biased and didn't watch his NFLE games. Now Parcells states in the article that he was dissappointed in Henson, and all of you all of a sudden you guys can read Parcells mind and know that it is a mind game.

Show us a positive article written in terms of Henson, and some proof of Parcells so called mind games. As of now all we can go by is what Parcells stated in this article. No spinning or mind reading.

 

[The30YardSlant]

i can, but won't, post these articles cause you have no evidence of accepting the article, only refuting it.

Straight from the horses mouth, and that's really all that needs to be said. You won't post the articles(s), not because you think I will shoot it down (which I likely would with the actual facts, and I never denied that, thus making your tangent about me posting positive things of him moot), but because you either CAN'T because said articles dont exist, or simply wont because it's an opinion with no factual basis.

This concept is very easy to understand. Post it an prove me wrong (Considering debate is the whole point of this message board thing, me thinks you would have no reason not to) or stop yapping about it. If the article IS true, and IS factual, it WILL prove my opinion of Henson wrong. If that is the case, why do you care what i say or think, if it actually proves me wrong with facts, you should post it because everyone would know and see those facts and you would have nothing to fear.

But of course, you dont have any of the previously mentioned fantasy info and articles, because they dont exist and never have. They are simply fabrications that you cling to in order to justify your position on Henson.

Basically, this boils down to:

My Facts > Your fantasy article that you refuse to post

 

[iceberg]

Why is it that all the beat writers and columnists that covers the team on a daily basis have rarely posted one positive thing about Henson, and when they have something negative to say about him, they are called morons, biased and didn't watch his NFLE games. Now Parcells states in the article that he was dissappointed in Henson, and all of you all of a sudden you guys can read Parcells mind and know that it is a mind game.

Show us a positive article written in terms of Henson, and some proof of Parcells so called mind games. As of now all we can go by is what Parcells stated in this article. No spinning or mind reading.

beat writers are always morons if the reader doesn't agree - what's that got to do w/henson or just about anything else?

there are positive articles out there but if you've already made up your mind about him, showing them to you isn't "educational" but the start of a stupid argument.

for example - a quick recap:

hh31 - show me a positive article about henson!
me - why? you'll just dismiss it like you always do.
hh31 - means you can't huh!!!!!!?????!?!?!?!?!?!
me - no it means it's pointless. if i'm wrong, show me where a posted article changed your mind to show it would make it worth the effort to find it.
hh31 - you're wrong!!! you can't post the article!!!! muhahahahahahaha!!!

and so it goes.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Then he is an NFL QB ...... Yet you said he wasn't ...... maybe you should change it too ...... in your opinion he is not an NFL starter ........... which is a possibility.

Lets root for the players we have guys.

False. Being and NFL QB is more than talent. Talent is what makes you an All-American in HS. It takes heart, guts, leadership, mental toughness to be an NFL QB. Talent is only part of the equation. All players who set foot on an NFL pratice field have physical skill, or they wouldnt be there. It takes more than that.

 

[iceberg]

Straight from the horses mouth, and that's really all that needs to be said. You won't post the articles(s), not because you think I will shoot it down (which I likely would with the actual facts, and I never denied that, thus making your tangent about me posting positive things of him moot), but because you either CAN'T because said articles dont exist, or simply wont because it's an opinion with no factual basis.

This concept is very easy to understand. Post it an prove me wrong (Considering debate is the whole point of this message board thing, me thinks you would have no reason not to) or stop yapping about it. If the article IS true, and IS factual, it WILL prove my opinion of Henson wrong. If that is the case, why do you care what i say or think, if it actually proves me wrong with facts, you should post it because everyone would know and see those facts and you would have nothing to fear.

But of course, you dont have any of the previously mentioned fantasy info and articles, because they dont exist and never have. They are simply fabrications that you cling to in order to justify your position on Henson.

Basically, this boils down to:

My Facts > Your fantasy article that you refuse to post

fact is you can't show me an article posted to date you've NOT shot down or tried to.

THIS IS MY POINT.

finding it and posting it is useless cause it's only something you'll tear up - not try to understand.

show me where i'm wrong - YOU CAN'T.

ergo - i'm right.

so neener neener. : )

 

[J-DOG]

Ok, let me walk you through this (again):

I claimed Henson should have put up better numbers against NFLE competition if he really was a great NFL caliber player

You stated, and I quote:



That statement IS true, I dont disgaree in the least. What you are saying by posting this is that Henson's teammates, as well as his opposition, were far inferior in talent to NFL players. IF SO, then Henson, whom you obviously think has the potential to be an NFL CALIBER PLAYER, as such, should have dominated the inferior opposition by not only his play, but by using his NFL talent to raise the level of play of those around him to a level beyond the inferior defenses.

However, he did not, thus, using YOUR logic, Henson is not an NFL caliber player.

Get it?

I would like to know why you feel Henson should have lit up NFL Euro?
Did you expect him to aviod the rush like Michael Vick and pass with the accuaracy of throwing on the run like Elway???
This is football and one player cannot dominate games like in basketball.
You need a surrounding team to play together and play well.
Do you not see that???
Are you saying that Delhomme and Brad Johnson are not NFL caliber?
They didn't light up that league either.

 

[theogt]

That statement IS true, I dont disgaree in the least. What you are saying by posting this is that Henson's teammates, as well as his opposition, were far inferior in talent to NFL players. IF SO, then Henson, whom you obviously think has the potential to be an NFL CALIBER PLAYER, as such, should have dominated the inferior opposition by not only his play, but by using his NFL talent to raise the level of play of those around him to a level beyond the inferior defenses.

However, he did not, thus, using YOUR logic, Henson is not an NFL caliber player.

Get it?

Ahhh....the flaw in your logic is apparent now. Thanks for clearing that up. You're stating that because everyone is inferior, the good players should shine or at least make their teammantes play better. Well, that is true to an extent, but only a minor extent. My point was that you can't say things like, "He was playing against untalented CBs", because one can turn around and say "Well, he was playing with untalented WRs". The talent-level argument is a wash. See, this necessarily NEGATES your point, rather than proving it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

fact is you can't show me an article posted to date you've NOT shot down or tried to.

THIS IS MY POINT.

finding it and posting it is useless cause it's only something you'll tear up - not try to understand.

show me where i'm wrong - YOU CAN'T.

ergo - i'm right.

so neener neener. : )

And I never claimed otherwise. Still not sure why I have to prove something I never intended to prove and am saying I never did, thus agreeing with you. I know you arent wrong on that point because I will say freely I have never given Henson props based on an opinion from a beatwriter.

However, I have shown you where I am capable of praising Henson for his performance, which should give you the indication that I am not simply saying he sucks to say he sucks. I have the facts to back up that opinion. If you can disprove them or provide more convincing ones, I will have no problem saying you're right. However, we both know you cant.

Nice touch going back to 3rd grade with the end of that post, BTW. It's starting to make sense.....

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ahhh....the flaw in your logic is apparent now. Thanks for clearing that up. You're stating that because everyone is inferior, the good players should shine or at least make their teammantes play better. Well, that is true to an extent, but only a minor extent. My point was that you can't say things like, "He was playing against untalented CBs", because one can turn around and say "Well, he was playing with untalented WRs". The talent-level argument is a wash. See, this necessarily NEGATES your point, rather than proving it.

And yet, good QBs make their WRs better than they really are, see Dan Marino making scrubs into decent WRs in Miami as a prime example.

 

[Yeagermeister]

HH31 and Iceberg it's time too

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[The30YardSlant]

I would like to know why you feel Henson should have lit up NFL Euro?
Did you expect him to aviod the rush like Michael Vick and pass with the accuaracy of throwing on the run like Elway???
This is football and one player cannot dominate games like in basketball.
You need a surrounding team to play together and play well.
Do you not see that???
Are you saying that Delhomme and Brad Johnson are not NFL caliber?
They didn't light up that league either.

Actually, Jake Delhomme put up very good numbers while only playing for 1 half every single game as part of a 2 QB rotation. I have no clue what Brad Johnson did in Europe as far as stats, but like I said before, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. You cant go on expecting that. It is the exception, not the rule.

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH31 and Iceberg it's time too

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I dont really think this is necessary, the only insults have come from him, but neither of us has stepped over any line that I know of.