Parcells on the Haynesworth / Gurode incident

[peplaw06]

I guess I just don't see how anything BP does is going to help. Do you want a rah rah pep talk, statement to the media "We're behind Andre, what happened to him sucked..." Why isn't it enough to give Dre your full support in the locker room, and not get into it with the media? Why does the media need to be informed of BP's reaction? That's not going to get anything done.

 

[wileedog]

I didn't say you were lying. I said I don't believe you'd be that easy going about it.

I'd want to hit the other guy with a crowbar.

I could care less if my coach mentioned some cliched platitudes to the media.

That's the truth.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised you don't feel the same.

 

[rexrobinson]

and Clayton will follow up telling us that Dallas is interested in Tim Couch

btw, can someone explain in detail what happened?

HA HA, is this one of those Bill's silence is ..... well you know the rest

 

[CowboyPrincess]

I hope the Extremeskins crowd isn't reading this thread.

They'll have ammo for life.

lmao... I was just thinking the same thing... I can see Art and Blondie loading up ammo for you and I for sure

 

[WoodysGirl]

Let me ask you a question then. You're an O-lineman Free Agent in 2007. In the space of one week you've seen the Head Coach of the Cowboys say he's uninformed about a "potential suicide attempt by one of hsi players" and "unaware of the circumstances about an injury to one of your players" in the same week.

How high is Dallas on your visit and see list?

Hostile you're speaking as if he never spoke on the TO situation. He did in more detail the next day. What was he supposed to say other than what he did. I might have wanted him to show a little more compassion on the day of, but in the very next PC, he spoke at length about it.

As for the Gurode situation, I believe he'll speak in more detail tomorrow AFTER he gets more information.

Obviously as a player, I would be speaking hypothetically. But I would think that players talk. And any 2007 FA would talk to current players as to how he handled things behind the scenes when making the decision to visit.I doubt they'll be as concerned about how he spoke up for him after an incident.

We may not like how Parcells handles things publicly...But I've seen follow-up reports that Parcells was very concerned about TO's mental health and that it wasn't until he held a meeting with him before that concern left him...Also heard that the team looked into counseling alternatives before they decided that it wasn't necessary.

This particular issue is much ado about nothing.

 

[CowboyPrincess]

and Clayton will follow up telling us that Dallas is interested in Tim Couch

btw, can someone explain in detail what happened?

In slow motion and two different angles you can see him kick the back of his helmet with his left foot, reach down and take his helmet off with his hands, stand straight up, look down as he stepped on his head with his right foot..acting like he was stepping over him, look down again and go out of his way to reach over and stomp on his face. He could have easily caused a brain injury or blindness and I'm not so sure that he wasn't trying to do just that.

 

[Hostile]

Then why are you expecting BP to give us his take? Nevermind I gotcha...

But would you expect any other coach to address this, or just BP?

Let me put it this way. Until this week I've never encountered a Head Coach who is so "uninformed" about his team.

Here's an example from Mark Schlereth, not me. On Mike & Mike he told about passing a kidney stone at 4:00 a.m. He said by 6:00 a.m. Shanahan knew every detail up to that point.

That was a kidney stone. Either Rich Dalrymple isn't doing his job or Parcells isn't doing his.

Who you throwing under the bus? Me, I'll take the guy who was at the game today and apparently missed the whole deal and couldn't find out anything despite a communications system that puts the entire staff in touch with each other.

He didn't know any details my eye.

 

[jobberone]

For those that don't like his response, my question is what should he have said? What would have been acceptable?

I'm asking for a specific statement that would've been cool to you.

There isn't anything he can say publically at this time. He sidestepped the issue in an appropriate manner which is what you're getting at.

He knows well enough that giving the media anything would be to step in it. Anything that basically says "I can't say anything at this time" or like words is the only way for him to handle this publicly.

You're not going to get anything quoteable from him on this. He's a professional and expertly punts on this stuff (which you obviously know).

What he says in the locker room or just privately to Gurode will stay private as it should be.

The league will handle the messy part. Gurode can stand up to anything else he wants to. He's a big boy.

 

[Hostile]

I'd want to hit the other guy with a crowbar.

I could care less if my coach mentioned some cliched platitudes to the media.

That's the truth.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised you don't feel the same.

Now that I believe. I think it showed a lack of class. Period.

 

[peplaw06]

Let me put it this way. Until this week I've encountered a Head Coach who is so "uninformed" about his team.

Here's an example from Mark Schlereth, not me. On Mike & Mike he told about passing a kidney stone at 4:00 a.m. He said by 6:00 a.m. Shanahan knew every detail up to that point.

That was a kidney stone. Either Rich Dalrymple isn't doing his job or Parcells isn't doing his.

Who you throwing under the bus? Me, I'll take the guy who was at the game today and apparently missed the whole deal and couldn't find out anything despite a communications system that puts the entire staff in touch with each other.

He didn't know any details my eye.

Look, we all know BP is guarded in the media. He doesn't throw his business out in the street if he sees no need. If nothing can be gained, BP is often silent. He was silent post-TO signing for months. That's just how he is.

I seriously doubt that BP doesn't have his pulse on everything that is going on with his team. He's a complete micro-manager. But he's also shrewd with what information he gives to the media. It's part of his control. I'm sure Gurode knows BP is behind him 100%.

There is simply nothing to be gained by throwing Haynesworth under the bus in the media IMO. I don't see any purpose it would serve, aside from backing Gurode, which I'm sure is being done behind closed doors.

I understand the sense of entitlement we have with our Cowboys info, and how bad we want to know everything. BP doesn't give everything to the media, and I'm fine with that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In slow motion and two different angles you can see him kick the back of his helmet with his left foot, reach down and take his helmet off with his hands, stand straight up, look down as he stepped on his head with his right foot..acting like he was stepping over him, look down again and go out of his way to reach over and stomp on his face. He could have easily caused a brain injury or blindness and I'm not so sure that he wasn't trying to do just that.

I just saw the video of it, pathetic

 

[Hostile]

Look, we all know BP is guarded in the media. He doesn't throw his business out in the street if he sees no need. If nothing can be gained, BP is often silent. He was silent post-TO signing for months. That's just how he is.

I seriously doubt that BP doesn't have his pulse on everything that is going on with his team. He's a complete micro-manager. But he's also shrewd with what information he gives to the media. It's part of his control. I'm sure Gurode knows BP is behind him 100%.

There is simply nothing to be gained by throwing Haynesworth under the bus in the media IMO. I don't see any purpose it would serve, aside from backing Gurode, which I'm sure is being done behind closed doors.

I understand the sense of entitlement we have with our Cowboys info, and how bad we want to know everything. BP doesn't give everything to the media, and I'm fine with that.

Again, I'm not asking him to throw Haynesworth under the bus. I think he should have expressed concern for his player...publicly. He has no qualms about bashing them. He can't publicly say that he's concerned?

That's crap. No player deserves that kind of laisez faire approach.

 

[Chuck 54]

In slow motion and two different angles you can see him kick the back of his helmet with his left foot, reach down and take his helmet off with his hands, stand straight up, look down as he stepped on his head with his right foot..acting like he was stepping over him, look down again and go out of his way to reach over and stomp on his face. He could have easily caused a brain injury or blindness and I'm not so sure that he wasn't trying to do just that.

wow....I totally missed all of that...I never even saw the fat butt bend over...I know Gurode's head only moved a couple of inches and he never even fell to the ground.

 

[wileedog]

Again, I'm not asking him to throw Haynesworth under the bus. I think he should have expressed concern for his player...publicly. He has no qualms about bashing them. He can't publicly say that he's concerned?

That's crap. No player deserves that kind of laisez faire approach.

Concerned about what?

The player got a bunch of stitches, but other that than will probably play next week.

If Drew Bledsoe gets mugged tomorrow in a dark alley, is it mandatory that Bill Parcells issues a statement that "Mugging is bad!" ? Will Drew feel slighted if he doesnt?

 

[Hostile]

Concerned about what?

The player got a bunch of stitches, but other that than will probably play next week.

If Drew Bledsoe gets mugged tomorrow in a dark alley, is it mandatory that Bill Parcells issues a statement that "Mugging is bad!" ? Will Drew feel slighted if he doesnt?

If you want to ask real questions and debate this like we have I'll continue. This is a deliberate attempt to get obtuse and I'm not going to go there.

 

[peplaw06]

Again, I'm not asking him to throw Haynesworth under the bus. I think he should have expressed concern for his player...publicly. He has no qualms about bashing them. He can't publicly say that he's concerned?

That's crap. No player deserves that kind of laisez faire approach.

But who would that benefit? Gurode? Does Gurode really need BP to go to the media and support him? If I were Gurode, and I knew BP was concerned about me/ supported me, I could care less if he told the media. It's not like Gurode doesn't believe BP, or that the support doesn't mean anything until BP publicly supports him.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I can't see where Parcells voicing his opinion on this serves any purpose.

Everyone that has ever watched an NFL game agrees that it was unacceptable.

Hearing Parcells say it doesn't do anything for me.

I can just see him going over to Gurode in the lockerroom, lifting his head up by putting his hand under his chin, .. looking at it for a moment and then either saying something derogatory about Haynesworth, or jokingly minimize the stitches.

For him to stand up on a soapbox on ESPN and go on about the act, ... well let's just say I don't think you're going to see that.

 

[wileedog]

If you want to ask real questions and debate this like we have I'll continue. This is a deliberate attempt to get obtuse and I'm not going to go there.

WHat's obtuse about it?

Gurode was the victim of a crime. Whether it ever goes to legal channels is doubtful, but the bottom line is he was willfully assaulted.

There is no question here. The players coach said it was wrong. The team's fans have been admirably vocal about it being wrong. The player himself has said it was wrong. There is no controversy that what Haynesworth did was wrong.

What exactly are you looking for here? Some redundant comment from Bill that stomping Gurode's face was wrong? We know that. Everyone knows that.

I'm sure Bill went over to Gurode personnally to make sure he is ok. What more are you really looking for here?

 

[Hostile]

But who would that benefit? Gurode? Does Gurode really need BP to go to the media and support him? If I were Gurode, and I knew BP was concerned about me/ supported me, I could care less if he told the media. It's not like Gurode doesn't believe BP, or that the support doesn't mean anything until BP publicly supports him.

Are you maintaining it would hurt Gurode?

That seems to be the stance some of you are taking. There's no benefit of a Head Coach speaking up for his player? How you can even come to that conclusion is beyond me.

Parcells refusing to join the media circus over TO was funny. That was flat out funny.

This wasn't. If he truly knew nothing about what happned to his player then he's the dumbest man who has ever been dubbed a genius. That's a cop out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd rather Parcells say nothing than cry about it like he was Vermeil

Parcells is concentrating on next week, not on some nobody punk who got man-handled all game by his player